ataraxia
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That means absolutely nothing.
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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I think he has always been wrongly cast as a bit miserable and boring personality wise. He isn't in the public eye at all here and rarely gets punditry work. He has been doing a bit on the debate but that's about it I think. When people take of our better players from that time it's normally Botham gower or willis. I think the rebel tour harmed his post cricket career
Coronis
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Nah, if he was comparing two other players, maybe, but when one of them is himself, I don’t put too much stock in it.
jimmy101
Cricketer Of The Year
Guess he's own humility would factor into it yeah.
Coronis
International Coach
Especially being his own countryman. I’d be surprised if for example Ponting came out and said, yep I’m better than Border and Waugh.
kyear2
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Coronis
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I mean both Marshall and Steyn are in my top 5 fast bowlers. Only one of Sobers and Kallis is in my top 5 batsmen. Plus, for team balance, since there’s no top tier spinner in there, its nice to have Sobers and Shakib backing up Rashid.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Also coz Gooch was a bit of a hero to Cook, growing up. I mean, its like Kohli and Tendulkar. Even if Kohli has an objective case of being better than Sachin, I don't see him ever agreeing with that. He will always insist Sachin was better.
Having said that, what I put stock into is that Gooch can't be that far behind a Cook if Cook himself rates him that high.
Coronis
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Sobers believes its Satha.
Marshall and Steyn are equal.
Sobers is slightly better than Kallis as a batsman IMO.
So Sobers and Steyn > Kallis and Marshall IMO.
ataraxia
International Coach
Uhh... Before you stat it please consider that Philander has better stats than Steyn.
OverratedSanity
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Stats is not a synonym for career average.
Steyn has significantly better stats in virtually every important aspect of bowling.
You mean how Philander has been **** in Asia while Steyn has a great record in Asia.
You mean how Marshall was arguably the best among half a dozen ATG bowlers in the 1980s while Steyn was the only ATG fast bowler between 2006-2015 and still managed to how Marshall or Hadlee level stats.
My two favourite Steyn stats :
1. Steyn took his 400th wicket in 16634 balls.
Everyone else took more than 20000 balls. That includes James Anderson, Courtney Walsh, Glen McGrath, Wasim Akram, Curtly Ambrose, Richard Hadlee, Shaun Pollock, Shane Warne, Muttiah Muralitharan, Stuart Broad, Rangana Herath, Harabhajan Singh.
2.
Steyn has taken 439 wickets in 18608 balls.
Lillee has taken 355 wickets in 18467 balls.
Dale Steyn is the greatest wicket taking bowler ever IMO.
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GoodAreasShane
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No doubt Steyn was bloody brilliant, but bowling strike rates are overrated