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ODI ATG XIs

stephen

stephen

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morgieb said:
Pretty much every ATG bat bar de Villiers declined.

As for the bowling, Murali and Pollock?
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De Villiers declined at the same rate that batting got easier over the last couple of years so he just looks consistent.
 
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Bolo

State Captain
_00_deathscar said:
There are definitely other factors, like India/subcontinent teams definitely tend to let their legends carry on or announce their own departure rather than force them out, whereas Australia etc tend to be a bit more ruthless.

However, yes - usually the greater you are, the more the team will persist with you even through a two year slump. In some cases, even shifting the whole team/team balance around to try to find a spot for you.

I mean if you don't have a huge body of work behind you, it's unlikely you will persist with someone like KL Rahul after multiple failures, and why would you?
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Probably more importantly, there is how far they have to fall. Peak Viv averaged something like 50% more than old Viv. But old Viv was still a good bat. If peak viv wasn't such a monster, and Viv had gone through a similar % decline, he would have been poor and would have been dropped soon after the decline.
 
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Bolo

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stephen said:
De Villiers declined at the same rate that batting got easier over the last couple of years so he just looks consistent.
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Not sure what you mean by couple of years. He retired just over 3 years ago. Came back for one meaningless game at the end of 2017. Scored a 50 in his only innings. Then played 2 proper series in 2018 (the toughest year for bats in decades) and basically soloed two series wins.

The only way I can think of that he decline in in his last number of years was that he lost his appetite for big runs in pointless downhill skiing in his last number of years.

And... I just realised this is an odi thread. Ya, he went backwards badly after 2016. Both relative to his own standards (partly because that type of purple patch is unsustainable) and relative to the crazy improvements in others batting records.

He lost motivation rather than a skills decline (ignoring the purple patch). But this is arguably less excusable, even if its understandable.
 
smash84

smash84

The Tiger King
De Villiers should have played at least the 2019 world cup.

What did he have to lose? Except maybe another world cup?

would have been great to watch him one last time in a global tournament
 
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Bolo

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smalishah84 said:
De Villiers should have played at least the 2019 world cup.

What did he have to lose? Except maybe another world cup?

would have been great to watch him one last time in a global tournament
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Ya, i doubt there is a non-partisan fan who would disagree with this. Him in odis is one of the great joys of watching cricket. And as an rsa fan, more so. He is the difference between the side being weak and competitive.

But excluding a WC win, I think he just achieved everything he wanted in cricket. I doubt his retirement timing is a coincidence. And there were multiple things about that last WC that left a horribly sour taste in his mouth, so he's not that keen on another one. So he is playing for money now. If there wasnt big league money or he was playing for a high salaried country things might be different. I guess at least it's a better deal for fans than some players from previous eras, where we saw some players retiring from all forms of cricket earlier to start conventional careers.
 
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Did de Villiers even decline in ODIs? I thought he just lost motivation.

He played a big part in his team winning his last two Test series which were important ones at home, so decent way to bow out.
 
harsh.ag

harsh.ag

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God knows I love ABdV, but he should damn well be playing this World Cup. Not cool for the best in the world to retire at near his prime form.
 
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_00_deathscar

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Bolo said:
Probably more importantly, there is how far they have to fall. Peak Viv averaged something like 50% more than old Viv. But old Viv was still a good bat. If peak viv wasn't such a monster, and Viv had gone through a similar % decline, he would have been poor and would have been dropped soon after the decline.
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Well yes of course. If you're averaging 65 for 5 years and then having a 'slump' for 2 years and only doing 40 (maybe Steve Smith once he comes back?) you're not suddenly going to get kicked out of the team, and especially not in this current Australia side - they'd kill for someone to average 40 with the bat. Many factors at play.
 
trundler

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SillyCowCorner1 said:
Did Sangakkara ever declined at the fag end?
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Smart enough to retire at the right time. I think there was a decline in his physical ability towards the end. Hasn't looked the same post retirement in PSL and stuff. Still mighty great for that standard, mind.
 
ankitj

ankitj

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BTW, was Warne just a one trick pony? Once he lost his flipper he wasn't good enough to play limited overs.







There I did to an Aussie player what Aussie posters have been doing to non-Aussie players in this thread, and on CW in general.
 
Pap Finn Keighl

Pap Finn Keighl

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stephen said:
He only opened in 52 matches across his entire career. Should we start calling Khawaja the greatest test opener ever?
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That's 4 plus years, and there is nothing to suggest he would have been a failure if he continued to open . Also his number 3 stats looks stunning too.
Basically ,
Top order Lara = Sachin.
Nothing wrong in selecting him as AT 11 opener.
 
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Bolo

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Sanga went beast mode at the end of his odi career. He's the only player I can think of who absolutely went out at the top.

In tests, he was starting to show his age a bit. He could have probably played on for a couple of years as Lankas best bat.

Definitely retired too early. One of the few
 
ankitj

ankitj

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Bolo said:
Sanga went beast mode at the end of his odi career. He's the only player I can think of who absolutely went out at the top.

In tests, he was starting to show his age a bit. He could have probably played on for a couple of years as Lankas best bat.

Definitely retired too early. One of the few
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AB as others have called out is another example. His performance in test series against India and Australia just before retirement were good enough for me to moderately upgrade his test cricketer rating from almost ATG to ATG.
 
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akilana

akilana

International 12th Man
stephen said:
De Villiers declined at the same rate that batting got easier over the last couple of years so he just looks consistent.
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What does the “batting got easier” mean for fab4? They were being consistent or improving? Hard to tell.
 
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