*Official* India Tour of Australia 2018/19

[the big bambino]

Brazil way richer than India though. Their per capita income is way more than India's ( 3 times as much). With India's economic rise since 1991 though (due to market liberalizations) India will become the new Brazil of cricket though and maybe in the next 20-30 years what the US is in basketball.

India has always had an insane cricket crazy population but has been extremely poor. Now it is less poor increasing the effective pool of players. For a kid with some talent to become an international level player requires a certain level of infrastructure and money. Earlier that was only present in the cities like Mumbai, Bangalore etc so if you look at old Indian players who were good/great they were all from the big six cities of India (Sachin, Sunny G, Dravid, Laxman, Srinath, Kumble, Azhar, Bedi, Vengsarkar etc). But now with better FC salaries, more modern training regimes, IPL salaries etc the pool of kids with potential going into cricket is larger and larger and also coming from smaller towns/less fancy Ranji teams. Indian cricket mainstays since 2000 who are not from the big six cities (and their respective Ranji teams) include Bhajji, Yuvi, Dhoni, Umesh, Bumrah, Pujara, Jadeja, Kuldeep, Bhuvi etc.

This has led to India becoming the best team in the last 5 years (highest W/L ratio in all three formats + only team to rank top 2 in all three formats). You can see this change manifesting also in Indian bowling which never was the best but now we have multiple spinners and pacers averaging below 30 in test cricket (and a few below 25) while still having two 50+ averaging batsmen (only team to have two).

Good news is that India's economy still hasn't reached full potential and will be growing at 6-8% till mid century at least if not beyond which will manifest in cricket also.

Good days are here.

The fact this post didn’t come after SA or Eng but had to wait against a weakened Australia should make you a little more circumspect.

 

[vcs]

Does he not play IPL by choice, or because franchises don't want him?

Poor guy kept putting himself up for auction for a few years and then gave up when no one wanted him (kind of like me registering on dating sites).

 

[stephen]

I just read over the entire ftp for Australia only 2/3 away tests in 2020/21. No more than 5 tests each summer. 2 test tours from the WI and Pak at home and only one 2 test tour away for SL. No away test tours to NZ.

In 2020 Australia play zero tests between February (away in Bangladesh) and November. It's not even a world cup year! It's not like we're even getting a much of limited over stuff either - 6 ODIs and 3 t20s between April and September.

In 2021, Australia play either zero or one tests between mid March and November, depending on whether we make the world test championship final or not.

It's not until 2022 that we get a decent test schedule.

Not playing NZ away at all makes me sad. We won't get to face Williamson at home until he's well past his peak.

 

[ishqiya]

The fact this post didn’t come after SA or Eng but had to wait against a weakened Australia should make you a little more circumspect.

That's just your pain talking after such a huge home humiliation.

None of the points I made were untrue.

This has led to India becoming the best team in the last 5 years (highest W/L ratio in all three formats + only team to rank top 2 in all three formats). - The past 5 years do include the SA/Eng series

You can see this change manifesting also in Indian bowling which never was the best but now we have multiple spinners and pacers averaging below 30 in test cricket (and a few below 25) while still having two 50+ averaging batsmen (only team to have two). - This again includes the SA/Eng series

Even if you talk about the SA/Eng series see how we played there versus how we played there in the 90s. Heck even Brazil doesn't win every World Cup ever. Even the great Australian team of the 90s-00s lost multiple series in India, one in SL, one in England, drew a home series against Ind etc. You can't win them all.

I know it feels bad losing at home to India for the first time but you should get used to it. This is the way things will be from now on. Pax Indica has begun and you are just living in it.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

This guy won't last long

 

[stephen]

Mate Pax India has been in force since the turn of the century. That's why Harbhajan got away with racist taunts and Bucknor got fired all those years ago.

 

[TheJediBrah]

That's just your pain talking after such a huge home humiliation.

None of the points I made were untrue.

This has led to India becoming the best team in the last 5 years (highest W/L ratio in all three formats + only team to rank top 2 in all three formats). - The past 5 years do include the SA/Eng series

You can see this change manifesting also in Indian bowling which never was the best but now we have multiple spinners and pacers averaging below 30 in test cricket (and a few below 25) while still having two 50+ averaging batsmen (only team to have two). - This again includes the SA/Eng series

Even if you talk about the SA/Eng series see how we played there versus how we played there in the 90s. Heck even Brazil doesn't win every World Cup ever. Even the great Australian team of the 90s-00s lost multiple series in India, one in SL, one in England, drew a home series against Ind etc. You can't win them all.

I know it feels bad losing at home to India for the first time but you should get used to it. This is the way things will be from now on. Pax Indica has begun and you are just living in it.

I agree 100% that India are reaching a peak, and it may last a very long time. I just don't think that this is a particularly big achievement. Beating Aus minus their only 2 Test-class batsmen, and their 2 best by a mile, is to be expected for such a strong India team. Losing would have been a disaster. Beating England or SA would have been a much better achievement.

 

[ishqiya]

I agree 100% that India are reaching a peak, and it may last a very long time. I just don't think that this is a particularly big achievement. Beating Aus minus their only 2 Test-class batsmen, and their 2 best by a mile, is to be expected for such a strong India team. Losing would have been a disaster. Beating England or SA would have been a much better achievement.

It's still a work in progress. Like I said Indian economy is still growing (and hence the public's money and thus the budget for the Indian cricket team). The achievements will keep racking up as the team keeps getting better and better. Last five years India has been the best team but there have been some close number 2's. In the next decade I expect them to pull away completely and by 2040-50 it will be like the American basketball team.

 

[ishqiya]

Mate Pax India has been in force since the turn of the century. That's why Harbhajan got away with racist taunts and Bucknor got fired all those years ago.

That was still expansion phase. Even now it is expansion phase. In 15-20 years time you will see the zenith.

 

[Senile Sentry]

Pax indica will remain a wip till India get Shubhman and Shaw gunning full throttle at the top followed by Pujara and Kohli at their peaks. Till then the story would be incomplete.

A series win in Eng and a world cup to cap it off would be sweet. Aus and WI are the only two teams who can lay claim to such empires and that spanned all versions of cricket.

 

[TheJediBrah]

It's still a work in progress. Like I said Indian economy is still growing (and hence the public's money and thus the budget for the Indian cricket team). The achievements will keep racking up as the team keeps getting better and better. Last five years India has been the best team but there have been some close number 2's. In the next decade I expect them to pull away completely and by 2040-50 it will be like the American basketball team.

Yeah I've been saying this for a while. Eng/SA/Aus/NZ just don't have the following or care about cricket the way India does, and the countries that do have a comparable love for the sport (SL, Ban, Pak?) just don't have the resources. India will dominate for a long time.

 

[ishqiya]

Pax indica will remain a wip till India get Shubhman and Shaw gunning full throttle at the top followed by Pujara and Kohli at their peaks. Till then the story would be incomplete.

A series win in Eng and a world cup to cap it off would be sweet. Aus and WI are the only two teams who can lay claim to such empires and that spanned all versions of cricket.

Yeah like I said, still a work in progress. I expect us to completely widen the gap between us and the others in the 2020s so by 2030 all the other teams can vie for is no 2.

 

[ishqiya]

Yeah I've been saying this for a while. Eng/SA/Aus/NZ just don't have the following or care about cricket the way India does, and the countries that do have a comparable love for the sport (SL, Ban, Pak?) just don't have the resources. India will dominate for a long time.

Eng/Aus/NZ have hit their peaks. They are first world countries and popularity won't grow. They will have good teams and bad teams as they have throughout their history.

SA will become better I believe as they are still growing economically and their pool of potential players now include black players as well thus expanding the pool.

Bangladesh will become better (as they have) due to growing economy and craze for cricket.

Pakistan is as crazy as India but post 9/11 and war on terror their economy has been very weak thus impacting resources etc plus no home games.

SL is a small country so they have peaked I believe (maybe become a bit better as their economy is also growing). Will have good and bad teams throughout time.

 

[the big bambino]

That's just your pain talking after such a huge home humiliation.

None of the points I made were untrue.

This has led to India becoming the best team in the last 5 years (highest W/L ratio in all three formats + only team to rank top 2 in all three formats). - The past 5 years do include the SA/Eng series

You can see this change manifesting also in Indian bowling which never was the best but now we have multiple spinners and pacers averaging below 30 in test cricket (and a few below 25) while still having two 50+ averaging batsmen (only team to have two). - This again includes the SA/Eng series

Even if you talk about the SA/Eng series see how we played there versus how we played there in the 90s. Heck even Brazil doesn't win every World Cup ever. Even the great Australian team of the 90s-00s lost multiple series in India, one in SL, one in England, drew a home series against Ind etc. You can't win them all.

I know it feels bad losing at home to India for the first time but you should get used to it. This is the way things will be from now on. Pax Indica has begun and you are just living in it.

I’m not doubting statements. Just the subsequent hubris and assumptions extrapolated from them. So for example far from being pained I thought India would win 4-0. 2-1 is not bad against a strong side that has been playing all year. Anyway we’ll see. There are many prat falls pride and arrogance don’t see. Large populations and booming economies do not equate to excellence anywhere. Still waiting for China to win a soccer World Cup.

 

[Starfighter]

Pax indica will remain a wip till India get Shubhman and Shaw gunning full throttle at the top followed by Pujara and Kohli at their peaks. Till then the story would be incomplete.

A series win in Eng and a world cup to cap it off would be sweet. Aus and WI are the only two teams who can lay claim to such empires and that spanned all versions of cricket.

Pujara and probably Kohli will be off their peaks by the time Shaw and especially Gill are going 'full throttle'.

And an 'Indian peace' will be to cricket what a 'Chinese peace' will be to this century, a terribly destructive thing.

 

[ishqiya]

I’m not doubting statements. Just the subsequent hubris and assumptions extrapolated from them. So for example far from being pained I thought India would win 4-0. 2-1 is not bad against a strong side that has been playing all year. Anyway we’ll see. There are many prat falls pride and arrogance don’t see. Large populations and booming economies do not equate to excellence anywhere. Still waiting for China to win a soccer World Cup.

Your assumption is wrong. China doesn't win the soccer world cup for the same reason USA doesn't win the soccer world cup. They just don't care. China has been no 1 or 2 in medals in Olympics for years now. The sports that they are interested in - table tennis, badminton etc they are best in the world. Similarly US is the best in the world in basketball, a sport that they care about. For India that sport is cricket.

 

[ishqiya]

Pujara and probably Kohli will be off their peaks by the time saw and especially Gill are going 'full throttle'.

and the 'Indian peace' will be to cricket what the 'Chinese peace' will be to this century, a terribly destructive thing.

Only from the perspective of Europeans (or European origin people). The world is going back to the way it was - Asia on top.

 

[Chrish]

Your assumption is wrong. China doesn't win the soccer world cup for the same reason USA doesn't win the soccer world cup. They just don't care. China has been no 1 or 2 in medals in Olympics for years now. The sports that they are interested in - table tennis, badminton etc they are best in the world. Similarly US is the best in the world in basketball, a sport that they care about. For India that sport is cricket.

Nah..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_in_China#Football

 

[Starfighter]

Also 'India population theory' strongly fails to account for the fact that Australia has generally been the dominant team in cricket despite having a much smaller population and much less professional structure than England. If it were true then IPL teams would dispense with the need for overseas players.

 

[Starfighter]

Only from the perspective of Europeans (or European origin people). The world is going back to the way it was - Asia on top.

Do you wanna argue history with me? Don't, you won't win.