DoG's Top 100 Test Bowlers Countdown Thread 100-1

[Burgey]

How do Davo’s stats in the tied test stack up? I know he was the first bloke to score 100+ runs and take 10 wickets and did it in hat game iirc.

Might struggle with the batting stats - didn’t make a ton

 

[morgieb]

My favourite memory of Harris is actually not the Cook ball, but his two late wickets on one knee to win that South Africa series. Not even convinced Warne or McGrath could've won that Test from that position. Sheer heroics.

 

[Borges]

Jimmy Sinclair, in a losing cause: 6/26 and 106 runs. 2nd Test, England tour of South Africa at Cape Town, Apr 1-4 1899 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo
Don't know if these count as gold performances.

 

[ankitj]

Mighty impressive ranking for Harris that. Bowlers he left behind: Roberts, Lindwall and Fazal!

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Mighty impressive ranking for Harris that. Bowlers he left behind: Roberts, Lindwall and Fazal!

P. Pollock

 

[Burgey]

Posting from my phone so cant find the list so far, it has the WPNCOS appeared yet?

 

[Starfighter]

Posting from my phone so cant find the list so far, it has the WPNCOS appeared yet?

96, much to Smali's chagrin.

 

[Burgey]

Cheers

 

[Days of Grace]

How do Davo’s stats in the tied test stack up? I know he was the first bloke to score 100+ runs and take 10 wickets and did it in hat game iirc.

Might struggle with the batting stats - didn’t make a ton

With the bat:

44 (3.73) & 80 (11.43)

With the ball:

5/135 (12.76) & 6/87 (14.89)

 

[Days of Grace]

Jimmy Sinclair, in a losing cause: 6/26 and 106 runs. 2nd Test, England tour of South Africa at Cape Town, Apr 1-4 1899 | Match Summary | ESPNCricinfo
Don't know if these count as gold performances.

The 106 certainly does: 17.45, the 6th highest rated effort in a losing cause ever.

The 6/26 got 13.89 points, not quite a gold performance. It was a low scoring match, so the batting effort is worth more.

 

[Jarquis]

Would be keen for a DoG 'peak' ranking thread - assuming 786 would be it for Botham

 

[Starfighter]

The 106 certainly does: 17.45, the 6th highest rated effort in a losing cause ever.

The 6/26 got 13.89 points, not quite a gold performance. It was a low scoring match, so the batting effort is worth more.

What are the best losing efforts for bat and ball?

Or would that involve spoilers?

 

[stephen]

I'm pretty sure that DoG has created this entire algorithm to prove once and for all that Jimmy is the goat.

 

[Days of Grace]

What are the best losing efforts for bat and ball?

Or would that involve spoilers?

Batting: BC Lara 226 vs. Australia at Adelaide 2005 (18.86)
Bowling: HJ Tayfield 7/23 vs. Australia at Durban 1950 (18.17)

 

[Days of Grace]

Would be keen for a DoG 'peak' ranking thread - assuming 786 would be it for Botham

That would involve a lot of guess work. I think Botham would have been in the 800s earlier in his career since career is only worth 10% of the overall rating.

 

[Brian Lara]

No.34

Ryan Harris (Australia) 774

Quality Points: 742
Career Points: 32

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scww3qeYvAU

Career: 2010-2015
Wickets: 113
Gold Performances: 1
6/47 vs. England at Perth 2010 (16.29)
Silver Performances: 3
Bronze Performances: 2

Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 21.35 (23.52) 52.00 (50.76) 4.67
50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (2010-2014): 20.73 50.63 4.80
Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 20.57 48.19 4.88
Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 20.71 51.02 4.85

Considering his lack of test matches due to chronic knee trouble and the fact that he made his test debut at the age of 30, Ryan Harris has done superbly well to rank in the top 40. A superb record across the board. 23 of his 27 test matches were played against quality opposition.

Ryan Harris has done very well to finish this high

 

[stephen]

Ryan Harris has done very well to finish this high

Much as I love the man, he probably got away with no tests in India or the UAE.

Still, he averaged 14 in Sri Lanka and his worst average anywhere was 30 in the West Indies.

 

[OverratedSanity]

As good as he was, that's far too high a ranking imo. But there's really no statistical measure to account for how unique his career was.

 

[Days of Grace]

Update:

I've decided to give equal measure to wickets and career length. I feel that bowlers of yesteryear are disadvantaged from not having the opportunities to play as many matches and thus take as many wickets as their modern-day counterparts. It also rewards quality over a long time as opposed to a three or five year career that coincided with a bowler's peak.

Not much has changed. Some bowlers have moved up or down a few positions. But nothing too drastic. Johnny Briggs replaces Nathan Lyon in the top 100 for now.

33 GA Lohmann 778
34 IT Botham 776
35 Fazal Mahmood 775
36 RJ Harris 774
37 RR Lindwall 752
38 M Ntini 750
39 Mohammad Asif 750
40 RGD Willis 749
41 MG Johnson 748
42 JA Snow 746
43 PM Pollock 746
44 AME Roberts 741
45 IR Bishop 739
46 BS Chandrasekhar 732
47 DL Underwood 732
48 CEH Croft 731
49 D Gough 730
50 WW Hall 730
51 JR Thomson 728
52 Yasir Shah 728
53 H Trumble 727
54 AR Caddick 725
55 CJ McDermott 724
56 ARC Fraser 724
57 N Kapil Dev 722
58 Harbhajan Singh 721
59 SCJ Broad 720
60 LR Gibbs 719
61 NAT Adcock 719
62 M Morkel 717
63 R Benaud 716
64 Saeed Ajmal 712
65 GP Swann 711
66 CTB Turner 711
67 MA Starc 708
68 JH Wardle 705
69 JB Statham 703
70 TM Alderman 702
71 SR Clark 699
72 GD McKenzie 698
73 MW Tate 698
74 KR Miller 697
75 JN Gillespie 696
76 FH Tyson 695
77 SCG MacGill 684
78 MG Hughes 683
79 GF Lawson 683
80 BS Bedi 682
81 Saqlain Mushtaq 681
82 B Lee 681
83 CL Cairns 678
84 HH Streak 673
85 WA Johnston 671
86 PM Siddle 669
87 TA Boult 669
88 JR Hazlewood 668
89 H Verity 668
90 SE Bond 668
91 Z Khan 667
92 MJ Hoggard 667
93 N Wagner 666
94 EAS Prasanna 663
95 GAR Lock 662
96 WPUJC Vaas 662
97 BA Reid 658
98 Danish Kaneria 653
99 BR Taylor 652
100 J Briggs 651

 

[Days of Grace]

A revised no.100

Johnny Briggs (England) 651

Quality Points: 587
Career Points: 64

Career: 1884-1899
Wickets: 118
Gold Performances: 2
7/17 vs. South Africa at Cape Town 1889 (15.05)
8/11 vs. South Africa at Cape Town 1889 (19.04)
Silver Performances: 6
Bronze Performances: 1

Overall Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 24.40 (17.75) 58.14 (45.19) 4.73
50 Innings Peak Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings (1884-1899): 24.40 58.14 4.73
Non-Home Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 27.82 63.86 3.97
Quality Opposition Average/Strike-Rate/Points Per Innings: 22.63 62.69 5.24 (only 1 match played against quality opposition)