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*Official* West Indies Tour of India 2018

Prince EWS

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vcs said:
Jadeja's batting average is 33 and bowling average is 23 now.

Getting into proper allrounder territory.
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I think you can divide Jadeja's batting career into three distinct segments.

Phase 1:
Selected as an allrounder with a First Class average near 50 and a couple some triple hundreds under his belt, he was expected to contribute roughly evenly with bat and ball. As a result he took his batting very seriously and tried to bat 'properly' like a top order bat, and although he bowled even better than he was expected to and so kept himself in the frame, his batting was despicably bad. I remember making a post after he took a bag in South Africa early in his career that he could potentially challenge Ashwin's spot as overseas spinner if only his batting output could improve enough to bat #8 in Tests -- he was going that bad with the bat that #8 seemed too high.

Phase 2:
He gave up the pretence of being a batsman in order to provide useful engine room jam at the back end of innings. He slowly became a very good #8 with this counter-attacking style, but it all seemed to be tied together by the freedom playing as a bowler and having a care-free hit at the end of the innings gave him. You always got the sense that some real pressure would see him revert to a phase 1 cricketer, and as such he never batted above Ashwin even when he was outdoing him statistically.

Phase 3:
He's slowly but surely introduced elements of genuine batsmanship back into his game, essentially having another crack at what he was attempting in Phase #1, now with the security of his bowling record to ensure his selection and a lot more experience and confidence gained against Test bowlers. This has culminated in that awesome 90 in England and this ton here. The way he built the ton early on with singles here is something he wasn't capable of a couple of years ago -- a quick 60 sure, but previous attempts at this exact innings have tended to garner Phase #1 outputs from him.

He's (finally) a genuine #7 now IMO, and not just in India either. WAG.
 
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Burgey

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Prince EWS said:
Yeah he'll probably still suck in Australia but so will half their specialist batsmen so meh.
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Interesting approach to analysing a bloke’s worth.

That was tragic watching. Good on him for cashing in - everyone should, but that was embarrassing
 
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It must be so hard being a WI supporter. Lost the toss, the bowlers have been belted all over the place, Jadeja's scored a ton and then you see Kieron ****ing Powell walking out to open the batting.
 
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Prince EWS said:
I think you can divide Jadeja's batting career into three distinct segments.

Phase 1:
Selected as an allrounder with a First Class average near 50 and a couple some triple hundreds under his belt, he was expected to contribute roughly evenly with bat and ball. As a result he took his batting very seriously and tried to b at 'properly' like a top order bat, and although he bowled even better than he was expected to and so kept himself in the frame, his batting was despicably bad. I remember making a post after he took a bag in South Africa early in his career that he could potentially challenge Ashwin's spot as overseas spinner if only his batting output could improve enough to bat #8 in Tests -- he was going that bad with the bat that #8 seemed too high.

Phase 2:
He gave up the pretence of being a batsman in order to provide useful engine room jam at the back end of innings. He slowly became a very good #8 with this counter-attacking style, but it all seemed to be tied together by the freedom playing as a bowler and having a care-free hit at the end of the innings gave him. You always got the sense that some real pressure would see him revert to a phase 1 cricketer, and as such he never batted above Ashwin even when he was outdoing him statistically.

Phase 3:
He's slowly but surely introduced elements of genuine batsmanship back into his game, essentially having another crack at what he was attempting in Phase #1, now with the security of his bowling record to ensure his selection and a lot more experience and confidence gained against Test bowlers. This has culminated in that awesome 90 in England and this ton here. The way he built the ton early on with singles here is something he wasn't capable of a couple of years ago -- a quick 60 sure, but previous attempts at this exact innings have tended to garner Phase #1 outputs from him.

He's (finally) a genuine #7 now IMO, and not just in India either. WAG.
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His fifty in the last test of the 2017 series vs Australia was immense too. High pressure situation, demanding conditions, quality attack and he came up trumps despite being jammy early on. If he'd gotten out early, Australia probably win that series. . The fact that now he's capable of both the counterattacking fifties, and the propah test knocks is very very encouraging.
 
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Burgey said:
Interesting approach to analysing a bloke’s worth.

That was tragic watching. Good on him for cashing in - everyone should, but that was embarrassing
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India won't succeed overseas unless their openers can manage not to be walking wickets. Everything else is in place, pretty much.
 
CricAddict

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Prince EWS said:
I think you can divide Jadeja's batting career into three distinct segments.

Phase 1:
Selected as an allrounder with a First Class average near 50 and a couple some triple hundreds under his belt, he was expected to contribute roughly evenly with bat and ball. As a result he took his batting very seriously and tried to bat 'properly' like a top order bat, and although he bowled even better than he was expected to and so kept himself in the frame, his batting was despicably bad. I remember making a post after he took a bag in South Africa early in his career that he could potentially challenge Ashwin's spot as overseas spinner if only his batting output could improve enough to bat #8 in Tests -- he was going that bad with the bat that #8 seemed too high.

Phase 2:
He gave up the pretence of being a batsman in order to provide useful engine room jam at the back end of innings. He slowly became a very good #8 with this counter-attacking style, but it all seemed to be tied together by the freedom playing as a bowler and having a care-free hit at the end of the innings gave him. You always got the sense that some real pressure would see him revert to a phase 1 cricketer, and as such he never batted above Ashwin even when he was outdoing him statistically.

Phase 3:
He's slowly but surely introduced elements of genuine batsmanship back into his game, essentially having another crack at what he was attempting in Phase #1, now with the security of his bowling record to ensure his selection and a lot more experience and confidence gained against Test bowlers. This has culminated in that awesome 90 in England and this ton here. The way he built the ton early on with singles here is something he wasn't capable of a couple of years ago -- a quick 60 sure, but previous attempts at this exact innings have tended to garner Phase #1 outputs from him.

He's (finally) a genuine #7 now IMO, and not just in India either. WAG.
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Double like. And yes, agree with the segregation. Also, Position be No 7 or 8, he should always be batting above Ashwin. Hopefully, he continually does now.

And to answer Burgey, most probably only one spinner will play in Australia since Hardik will be back. Can be Ashwin or Kuldeep or Jaddu. If he does well in the first 2 tests, no issue for his stats. If he doesn't, he will be dropped for the other two and so, still no issue for his stats. :)
 
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CricAddict said:
Rahane needs to get back into his old overseas form too.
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Yeah, Pujara could also do better.

But that's secondary to finding a couple of openers who can consistently put on 50+. Pujara and Kohli are awesome downhill skiiers (I mean, Kohli came in with the team under pressure for most of this year in bowling friendly conditions and still averaged about 60). Imagine if they had the opportunity to come in against an older ball more often.
 
Prince EWS

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CricAddict said:
Why was there a hype on Hetmyer? He averages just 33 in first class cricket with just one century.
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Looks really talented, scored runs in Under 19 cricket, and has also scored a a few tons in tour games (both in the West Indies against touring Test teams and for the West Indies in practice games) that haven't counted as FC.

Obviously he's still raw though, and it definitely shows when he's batting in Tests. If he had a really good domestic record his selection wouldn't be in doubt, but he's been in and out of the side a bit because he hasn't really earned it. The hype isn't really founded on performance yet.
 
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I like that women's cricket is being promoted more but Fox Cricket bumping the rest of today's play because the Australian Women are playing a T20 sure is pissing me off, especially since their solution ("stream it on the Fox Sports website") has a potato-quality framerate and no Chromecast function.
 
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