ImpatientLime
International Regular
mate you can't be up in arms about jennings possible selection (century on debut v ashwin and jadeja) and then back the return of james vince
he is proven **** at test level
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England players and selection discussion thread
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he is proven **** at test level
Agricultural
Banned
Jennings is hopelessly out of nick. Vince isn't. Both are proven to be **** in tests. Vince is lucky that we are struggling so badly for the second opener slot. I wasn't intending to pick Vince ever again. I have surprised myself by picking him. It's why I can fully understand Moeen as a pick as opener.
Tom, I picked Leach. That post has bumped to the other page.
Sorry I'm exhausted and read your team wrong lol. Yeah leach no 1 for me. But I think we need 3 genuine spinners, mo never seems to bowl well in the sc so need someone else better than root.
Agricultural
Banned
If I was captaining the team I'd pick three spinners. I just don't have the confidence in Root to use them properly. I understand you picking 3 spinners, especially those 3.
Agricultural
Banned
I hope we will take three spinners in the squad. Root isn’t bowling in my team. Two front-line spinners and three seamers. No need for him to bowl if we have two spinners in the side.
Gremlin
U19 Vice-Captain
Are we all assuming Broad not going to SL? Probably not a bad shout.
In terms of bowlers who fall under the "could be considered" category Ben Coad continues to take wickets on his way back from injury.
My side on current thinking (and second guessing the selectors slightly) would be along the lines of
Burns
Vince
Ali
Root
Stokes
Buttler
Bairstow +
Curran
Rashid
Anderson
Leach
With additional squad members being Pope, Bess, Coad, Overton and Woakes.
In terms of bowlers who fall under the "could be considered" category Ben Coad continues to take wickets on his way back from injury.
My side on current thinking (and second guessing the selectors slightly) would be along the lines of
Burns
Vince
Ali
Root
Stokes
Buttler
Bairstow +
Curran
Rashid
Anderson
Leach
With additional squad members being Pope, Bess, Coad, Overton and Woakes.
flibbertyjibber
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Nice break, small series, nice break, small series then new season which he will be used sparingly early on while World cup is on to be ready for ashes. Can't see him missing any games unless he is injured. Same goes for Broad.
If we are to rest anyone it will have to be Stokes as he will play all forms of the game and they will want him fit and fresh for the World Cup.
From the Daily Heil, sorry I mean Daily Mail lol ....
"Broad, 32, is set to be the high-profile casualty of England’s desire to find bowlers who can improve the team’s dismal away form when the selectors meet next week to pick a squad for the three-Test series in November." "Instead, England want to inject extra pace into their squad. Their fast-medium attack has been badly exposed in overseas conditions and they are looking at Warwickshire’s Olly Stone and Somerset’s Jamie Overton."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/c...-star-bowler-Stuart-Broad-Sri-Lanka-tour.html
"Broad, 32, is set to be the high-profile casualty of England’s desire to find bowlers who can improve the team’s dismal away form when the selectors meet next week to pick a squad for the three-Test series in November." "Instead, England want to inject extra pace into their squad. Their fast-medium attack has been badly exposed in overseas conditions and they are looking at Warwickshire’s Olly Stone and Somerset’s Jamie Overton."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/c...-star-bowler-Stuart-Broad-Sri-Lanka-tour.html
Agricultural
Banned
Broad can't get in my side rest or not.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
You know you don't really follow cricket any more when you have no idea who half these players are.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Haha only the openers would be debutants as well.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
On closer look I may have been exaggerating.
I wouldn't be able to argue a case either way for why it's a good team or not though.
Moonsorrow999
U19 Debutant
For Sri Lanka:
Burns (Obvious)
Mo (Could potentially pinch hit spinners early on, if they lose plenty of firepower to come)
Root (The great players should be flexible and carry the burden if the team needs)
Hildreth (By far the best no4 in county cricket)
Vince (Always thought he was a no5 not a 3)
Stokes (If he can bowl, otherwise Bairstow)
Buttler (Gets gloves too)
Curran (Can't not)
Rashid (I guess, the cupboard is truly bare)
Leach (Probs the best)
Clouderson (Clouds in Sri Lanka)
Obvs Bairstow isn't good enough up the order and Stokes isn't good enough as a batsman only - mind you all these guys bar Root avg less than 40 anyway so the top order is truly shite.
Burns (Obvious)
Mo (Could potentially pinch hit spinners early on, if they lose plenty of firepower to come)
Root (The great players should be flexible and carry the burden if the team needs)
Hildreth (By far the best no4 in county cricket)
Vince (Always thought he was a no5 not a 3)
Stokes (If he can bowl, otherwise Bairstow)
Buttler (Gets gloves too)
Curran (Can't not)
Rashid (I guess, the cupboard is truly bare)
Leach (Probs the best)
Clouderson (Clouds in Sri Lanka)
Obvs Bairstow isn't good enough up the order and Stokes isn't good enough as a batsman only - mind you all these guys bar Root avg less than 40 anyway so the top order is truly shite.
Moonsorrow999
U19 Debutant
Feels a batsman heavy imo and a spinner-light considering how little a part Rashid will probably play. I like Mitchell though, would have him to open if it were most other places. They'll for sure go with Jennings tho.
A significant stat that Bairstow averages 53 when England bat first in tests, and only 29 when they bat second. This highlights how much the physical strain of keeping affects the potential of his batting. Additionally he was averaging above 40 at 6/7 whereas he has averaged 28 when batting in the middle order. It's too much of an ask in my opinion. He should bat 6/7 if he still wicket keeps, or he should stay in the middle order and hand the gloves to Buttler, which would probably be my preferred choice.
A key thing to note from South Africa's tour of Sri Lanka, is that England will need more than 1 frontline spinner. Maharaj bowled exceptionally well in the sc but the seam attack was uneffective. By the end of the test series, Makram and Elgar ended up bowling a fair number of overs. Iirc, Sri Lanka had 3 main spinners, which meant that the trial by spin was unending. Albeit the problem for us will be having the quality of spin bowlers that can expose the theoretically helpful conditions. Likewise it is important not to put too much emphasis on spin. Anderson and the variety of Curran could play a much more pivatol role than spin bowling that just isn't very good.
At the very least, I would like to see Leach and Ali be England's two frontline spinners. Rashid is capable of the magic ball, but he always bowls a bad ball in an over and relieves the pressure. It's okay in odi cricket where the batters are always trying to score runs and are more likely to misplay, but test match bowling relies on the culmination of pressure. Continuous testing balls.If the batsmen is always assured of a bad ball an over they will find negotiaitng the rest of the over much easier because they never have to force the issue.
At this moment, my team would look like this:
Burns
Gubbins
Vince
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler (wk)
Ali
Curran
Leach
Anderson
A key thing to note from South Africa's tour of Sri Lanka, is that England will need more than 1 frontline spinner. Maharaj bowled exceptionally well in the sc but the seam attack was uneffective. By the end of the test series, Makram and Elgar ended up bowling a fair number of overs. Iirc, Sri Lanka had 3 main spinners, which meant that the trial by spin was unending. Albeit the problem for us will be having the quality of spin bowlers that can expose the theoretically helpful conditions. Likewise it is important not to put too much emphasis on spin. Anderson and the variety of Curran could play a much more pivatol role than spin bowling that just isn't very good.
At the very least, I would like to see Leach and Ali be England's two frontline spinners. Rashid is capable of the magic ball, but he always bowls a bad ball in an over and relieves the pressure. It's okay in odi cricket where the batters are always trying to score runs and are more likely to misplay, but test match bowling relies on the culmination of pressure. Continuous testing balls.If the batsmen is always assured of a bad ball an over they will find negotiaitng the rest of the over much easier because they never have to force the issue.
At this moment, my team would look like this:
Burns
Gubbins
Vince
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler (wk)
Ali
Curran
Leach
Anderson
GoodAreasShane
Cricketer Of The Year
Interesting to hear so much support for Daryl Mitchell, people saying he could be the English Chris Rogers. Don't buy it myself, from all I have seen of Mitchell he just isn't of the same calibre
Groundking
International Debutant
It's more the complete and utter lack of decent options.
This would be my team for Sri Lanka
Burns
Mitchell
Moeen
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler (wk)
Curran
Broad
Leach
Anderson
If they rest Broad I'd play Woakes because batting.
S.Kennedy
International Vice-Captain
Yes, what Groundking said.
Mitchell is the last left - maybe Davies but his average is even less impressive - who is a specialist opener who hasn't had a chance for England. It is difficult to get enthusiastic about any opener but Burns here, and considering Cook's retirement we basically have the exact same problem we've had since 2012 doubled!!
Maybe we should start looking in minor counties/club cricket? Serious thought!