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England players and selection discussion thread

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Possibly. He seems desperate to be different. If they don't pick Burns then the ECB need to overhaul the selection panel.
He'd certainly be entitled to ask precisely what he had to do to get a look-in. Whether Burns is better than the myriad other openers we've tried since Strauss retired remains to be seen, but he certainly deserves a chance.
 
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One rule for Malan. One rule for Jennings. It shows muddled thinking (or no thinking at all). Both in reality should have been dropped. You must pick your best team on a test by test basis. If they were thinking about Jennings for Sri Lanka fine. Then pick Burns at home and re-assess.

Anyhow. Does anyone know when England will announce their squads for Sri Lanka ?
 

Tom Flint

International Regular
There haven't been many England test players born in the WI lately. Chris Jordan a few years ago, but I can't think of any others. SA granted, although lots of them moved over here when very young. Most of them justified the call-up, so it's not an issue really.
Rawlins Jordan archer all been brought over to use for us. Whether they make or not is not the point the intent is still there and all 3 would undoubtedly improve the west Indies and therefore improve international cricket as a spectacle
 

Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Milan saying that he's having trouble scoring due to difficult pitches:
Dawid Malan said:
I think Lord's has the 16th or 17th lowest average score in county cricket this year, which doesn't make the stats look very good at all
Wouldn't 16th or 17th come somewhere in the middle?
 

tooextracool

International Coach
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One rule for Malan. One rule for Jennings. It shows muddled thinking (or no thinking at all). Both in reality should have been dropped. You must pick your best team on a test by test basis. If they were thinking about Jennings for Sri Lanka fine. Then pick Burns at home and re-assess.

Anyhow. Does anyone know when England will announce their squads for Sri Lanka ?
To be quite frank, I have more faith in Jennings succeeding in international cricket than Malan or for that matter Denly but I don't think any of them deserve to be on the flight to SL. It says a lot about the communication from England's management that a guy who averages 28 from 15 tests and has a highest score of 70 since returning to CC (8 innings) still thinks he should be on the plane. His thinking revolving entirely around the idea that he is actually a good touring player because of one relatively decent tour to Australia and Ed Smith's flawed assessment. It doesn't help that there has been a similar precedent set with the selection of Vince and to a lesser extent Jennings, Buttler, Rashid etc. Is it too much to ask for for players to go back to CC and actually try to score runs before re-staking their claim for the test side?
 

ImpatientLime

International Regular
Rawlins Jordan archer all been brought over to use for us. Whether they make or not is not the point the intent is still there and all 3 would undoubtedly improve the west Indies and therefore improve international cricket as a spectacle
rawlins is not from the caribbean
 
To be quite frank, I have more faith in Jennings succeeding in international cricket than Malan or for that matter Denly but I don't think any of them deserve to be on the flight to SL. It says a lot about the communication from England's management that a guy who averages 28 from 15 tests and has a highest score of 70 since returning to CC (8 innings) still thinks he should be on the plane. His thinking revolving entirely around the idea that he is actually a good touring player because of one relatively decent tour to Australia and Ed Smith's flawed assessment. It doesn't help that there has been a similar precedent set with the selection of Vince and to a lesser extent Jennings, Buttler, Rashid etc. Is it too much to ask for for players to go back to CC and actually try to score runs before re-staking their claim for the test side?
Malan and Jennings are both garbage at test level mate. I was just saying that the selectors have contradicted themselves. Lets hope Burns gets picked and makes runs for days.
 

theegyptian

International Vice-Captain
FWIW and I know it will open me up for derision, but I'd still probably pick Jennings for Sri Lanka.

Why?

Well for a start they need to pick at least 3 and maybe 4 (if Moeen or Root not going to bat 3) untested/unproven top order options in the squad. Assume they pick Burns on weight of runs. They are still going to need at least two more openers.

Who the **** are they going to pick? No one stands out. Gubbins has had a struggle this year and last, and looks uncomfortable against spin. Hameed playing second team cricket. Mitchell is nearly 35, doesn't have a good record in div 1, and most likely isn't good enough. Denly hasn't played div 1 cricket for a long time, probably well short of the standard too . Roy? lol .

At least Jennings has scored a hundred in test cricket in Asia. Playing spin is meant to be his strength. Lets face it there is going to very little pace bowled by SL so it's going to boil down to who plays spin best out of the top order options. None of the guys in county cricket (especially in div 2) are going to have faced much spin in recent times especially good spin. Unless they want to try and build a new partnership with a couple of youngish batsmen (say burns and gubbins) they may as well just pick the best players of spin.

The alternative is to promote a Bairstow or Buttler to open just for a one off for the series if they don't want to take 3 or 4 top order batsmen who they don't know much about and probably aren't good enough.

My squad



Burns, Jennings/(Gubbins)/Denly, Denly/Jennings/(Gubbins), Root, Bairstow, Buttler, Stokes, Livingstone, Ali, SCurran, Broad, Anderson, Leach, Porter, Stone/(Gleeson), Rashid/(Bess)






Livingstone had that brilliant lions tour of SL two years ago and is probably the most equipped of the lions bats to play spin well.
Woakes is rested. He's gotta find some pace and fitness from somewhere.
Denly gets the nod because of his experience playing 20 over cricket in asia- lol. and his improved leg spin which should make him a good 3rd spinner option.
I want to pick Bess but he just hasn't played enough. Rashid probably just gets the nod even though it's kind of pointless having him there- Denly will probably be more useful with the ball.
Stone and Gleeson both get quite a high % of their wickets by hitting the stumps. Both late 80s mph when fit. Stone the better long term bet and allround cricketer so he gets the nod. No point taking Coverton bowling his 78mph back of the length stuff.
Broad and Anderson only play test cricket. Really no point resting them. Anderson especially is required.
I'm probably taking one too many fast bowlers judging by the SL SA series but meh Porter goes to further his development – and it’s hard to find many spinners to offer options to the squa
 
Burns/Rocky making a case (as I speak).
Rocky Rocky Rocky Rocky

FWIW and I know it will open me up for derision, but I'd still probably pick Jennings for Sri Lanka.

Why?

Well for a start they need to pick at least 3 and maybe 4 (if Moeen or Root not going to bat 3) untested/unproven top order options in the squad. Assume they pick Burns on weight of runs. They are still going to need at least two more openers.

Who the **** are they going to pick? No one stands out. Gubbins has had a struggle this year and last, and looks uncomfortable against spin. Hameed playing second team cricket. Mitchell is nearly 35, doesn't have a good record in div 1, and most likely isn't good enough. Denly hasn't played div 1 cricket for a long time, probably well short of the standard too . Roy? lol .

At least Jennings has scored a hundred in test cricket in Asia. Playing spin is meant to be his strength. Lets face it there is going to very little pace bowled by SL so it's going to boil down to who plays spin best out of the top order options. None of the guys in county cricket (especially in div 2) are going to have faced much spin in recent times especially good spin. Unless they want to try and build a new partnership with a couple of youngish batsmen (say burns and gubbins) they may as well just pick the best players of spin.

The alternative is to promote a Bairstow or Buttler to open just for a one off for the series if they don't want to take 3 or 4 top order batsmen who they don't know much about and probably aren't good enough.

My squad



Burns, Jennings/(Gubbins)/Denly, Denly/Jennings/(Gubbins), Root, Bairstow, Buttler, Stokes, Livingstone, Ali, SCurran, Broad, Anderson, Leach, Porter, Stone/(Gleeson), Rashid/(Bess)






Livingstone had that brilliant lions tour of SL two years ago and is probably the most equipped of the lions bats to play spin well.
Woakes is rested. He's gotta find some pace and fitness from somewhere.
Denly gets the nod because of his experience playing 20 over cricket in asia- lol. and his improved leg spin which should make him a good 3rd spinner option.
I want to pick Bess but he just hasn't played enough. Rashid probably just gets the nod even though it's kind of pointless having him there- Denly will probably be more useful with the ball.
Stone and Gleeson both get quite a high % of their wickets by hitting the stumps. Both late 80s mph when fit. Stone the better long term bet and allround cricketer so he gets the nod. No point taking Coverton bowling his 78mph back of the length stuff.
Broad and Anderson only play test cricket. Really no point resting them. Anderson especially is required.
I'm probably taking one too many fast bowlers judging by the SL SA series but meh Porter goes to further his development – and it’s hard to find many spinners to offer options to the squa
Vince averages almost 60 against spin in tests. He will most likely be in the squad given his county champ form. Picking Jennings again would be criminal. It disgusts me he played the India series over Burns. Can't bat, can't bowl, can't field at test level plus he's mentally shot now. Given the abuse Ballance got. It's ironic Jennings has an inferior average over a longer string of tests, yet some people still want him picked. Ballance made runs over an extended period prior to his form drop. Ballance is averaging 15 more than Jennings in tests, lmao. I'm not advocating picking Ballance in the nick he is in. I don't like double standards. Jennings doesn't deserve to play. Simple as. If England pick Denly and Jennings over Burns then the selectors need to be put in a mental asylum. There's a strong case for saying Woakes and Broad aren't good enough to play in Sri Lanka. They could be left at home on merit. Woakes has a horrible away record. Broad has a disgustingly bad record in SL/IND/BANG combined. I've seen Livingstone, don't fancy his technique much. I wouldn't mind seeing him in the squad as I don't care much for technique. If it scores runs it scores runs. Foakes has a strong case to be in the squad. Barstow's nick is horrible. He's not a test standard top 5 bat. Nor is Buttler. Foakes keeping at 7, Buttler with the bat at 6. There's a case for it. There is plenty to debate tbh.
 
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S.Kennedy

International Vice-Captain
Has Compton even played this season?

Sam Robson 134? He averaged 30 in his first stint which is about 8 more than Keats!
 
Has Compton even played this season?

Sam Robson 134? He averaged 30 in his first stint which is about 8 more than Keats!
I think that's what Hichael was getting at. Compton had his FC season in Sri Lanka at number three (and faired well, check his profile). He's now technically in off-season potentially. If he's retired it's a strange one. He made decent runs out there. He's better than Jennings. I'd be looking for something and someone fresher. But the Career average of 40 plus is a strong point for Compton. He made a good career for himself.
 
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