Was Sehwag the greatest player of spin in the hisory of the game ??

[Migara]

Have another look. The worst spinner average against them was 27. All but one or two averaged less than 20 against them. Some so so names too. They had a problem with all sorts of bowling and bowlers.

True. But even **** fast bowlers sent them rolling. Not true about spinners.

 

[the big bambino]

Peterson and Adams were comparable in their class of bowling as say Collins or Lawson in theirs.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I learnt that Warne averages 21.94 in England and Murali averages 19.20. 6 matches for Murali 48 wickets, 22 matches would have resulted in 176 compared to Warne's 129. Super unlucky, yeah.

I don't know why you always try and compare Murali and Warne's careers and imagine that if they swapped positions that Murali would have done better. He almost certainly wouldn't. Even disregarding opposition/minnows etc, Murali playing more than half his games in Asia is huge. Likewise Warne playing home games in a spinners graveyard. If Murali had to play half his games in Aus his career would have looked awful.

There's no way that if you swapped Murali and Warne's experiences that Murali would come out better off. Absolutely no way. Picking random aspects of their relative experiences that suit you like "matches against England" and ignoring every other aspect of their relative experiences that don't suit you is incredibly simple-minded, and transparent

 

[Migara]

Peterson and Adams were comparable in their class of bowling as say Collins or Lawson in theirs.

List of pacemen is endless. Holder averages 8 against them. WTF?

 

[Migara]

I don't know why you always try and compare Murali and Warne's careers and imagine that if they swapped positions that Murali would have done better. He almost certainly wouldn't. Even disregarding opposition/minnows etc, Murali playing more than half his games in Asia is huge. Likewise Warne playing home games in a spinners graveyard. If Murali had to play half his games in Aus his career would have looked awful.

There's no way that if you swapped Murali and Warne's experiences that Murali would come out better off. Absolutely no way. Picking random aspects of their relative experiences that suit you like "matches against England" and ignoring every other aspect of their relative experiences that don't suit you is incredibly simple-minded, and transparent

And then comes out and say, Murali played more against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe blah, blah, blah. Picking random aspects of their relative experiences, what a joke.

 

[TheJediBrah]

List of pacemen is endless. Holder averages 8 against them. WTF?

Holder debuted in 2014 . . .

And then comes out and say, Murali played more against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe blah, blah, blah. Picking random aspects of their relative experiences, what a joke.

Well yeah, did you think it was supposed to be serious observation. Look at the context.

 

[Migara]

Holder debuted in 2014 . . .

So, why stop the comparison at 2010? Picking random aspects of relative experiences?

 

[TheJediBrah]

So, why stop the comparison at 2010? Picking random aspects of relative experiences?

huh? the whole discussion was about Bangladesh playing spin during the careers of Warne and Murali

why would you look at anything after 2014 lol

 

[the big bambino]

List of pacemen is endless. Holder averages 8 against them. WTF?

So what? Teams play pacemen on a 3:1 ratio on average so you'd expect more in the list. Looking at their respective averages its clear BD struggled just as much with spin as pace - as you'd expect.

 

[the big bambino]

So, why stop the comparison at 2010? Picking random aspects of relative experiences?

Because the range is over Murali's career.

EDIT: I see the point has been made. I'll leave my post up because some people may gain understanding by repetition.

 

[Starfighter]

Might I try injecting some fact here by noting that the overall average for pace bowlers against Bangladesh up to the end of Murali's career is 21.54 and that for spin bowlers is 21.18.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Might I try injecting some fact here by noting that the overall average for pace bowlers against Bangladesh up to the end of Murali's career is 21.54 and that for spin bowlers is 21.18.

Seems to be frowned upon but go for it

 

[the big bambino]

Might I try injecting some fact here by noting that the overall average for pace bowlers against Bangladesh up to the end of Murali's career is 21.54 and that for spin bowlers is 21.18.

Ah yes but how do you expect such a trifling to compete with the rejoinder "something something Jason Holder mumble mumble"?

 

[Spark]

ah it's been too long since murali vs warne took over a thread

 

[TheJediBrah]

I don't even know why Warne was brought into the discussion in the first place

 

[cnerd123]

Clearly the only fair metric to determine who is superior is studying Sehwag's record against each of them.

 

[Migara]

Might I try injecting some fact here by noting that the overall average for pace bowlers against Bangladesh up to the end of Murali's career is 21.54 and that for spin bowlers is 21.18.

Bangla wickets support spin. And most of that records are home matches. No rocket science.

 

[Migara]

Clearly the only fair metric to determine who is superior is studying Sehwag's record against each of them.

The only spinner Shewag shows even a bit of respect was Murali. But then early 2000s, Shewag was green.

Shewag doesn't think spinners as bowlers it seems.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Bangla wickets support spin. And most of that records are home matches. No rocket science.

That is not relevant at all to the comparison you were making. Every game Murali played against Bangladesh was either in SL or Bangladesh. If anything that actually supports the opposite of the point you were trying to make.

You need to stop.

 

[vcs]

So now we can add "Shewag" to "Ghandi" and "Kholi".