Was Sehwag the greatest player of spin in the hisory of the game ??

[Starfighter]

Bro seems like u want a bull dozer of bullshit.

Good of you to provide the bull**** to be bulldozed.

 

[randycricfreak]

Murali said the toughest he bowled to was Lara

Sehwag absolutely dominated Murali in his peak at home.2008 when Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly and VVS struggled against Mendis and Murali, Shewag wasn't rattled, and he kept on attacks

 

[randycricfreak]

Good of you to provide the bull**** to be bulldozed.

Will send a one in your way also.

 

[Starfighter]

Will send a one in your way also.

Ok

 

[TheJediBrah]

Bro seems like u want a bull dozer of bullshit.

is this English? I don't understand

 

[Migara]

is this English? I don't understand

Too bad.

 

[Migara]

Murali said the toughest he bowled to was Lara

Sehwag absolutely dominated Murali in his peak at home.2008 when Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly and VVS struggled against Mendis and Murali, Shewag wasn't rattled, and he kept on attacks

Murali's absolute peak was 2000-2008 though. That was the time he bulldozed through defenses of batsmen. Later the spin lessened, and he was making use of experience to get batsmen. Sehwag around 2009-10 against Murali fo 2004ish would have been one hell of a contest. Still would give 60-40 to Shewag. The other one I like to see is Saqlain of 1999 against Shewag at peak. That of course would be much more even.

 

[marc71178]

Bro seems like u want a bull dozer of bullshit.

You’re obviously about to provide it then?

 

[the big bambino]

Bangla was worse because, they got decimated by pace. They were pretty OK players of spin.

1990-2010 of the top 5 wicket takers against BD 4 were spinners.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Today I learned:

- England were worse than Bangladesh and Zimbabwe at playing spin in the 90s and 00s
- Warne benefited from playing so much against England (who he averaged 23 against) more than Murali benefited from playing against Ban & Zim (who he averaged 13 and 16 against respectively)

really challenging my preconceptions

 

[the big bambino]

Yes its incredible isn't it? Its amazing how much better off Murali would have been playing more often against England but can't see that Warne would've benefitted playing BD and Zim more often than he did. Its almost as if you have to open your other eye to see that.

 

[Migara]

Yes its incredible isn't it? Its amazing how much better off Murali would have been playing more often against England but can't see that Warne would've benefitted playing BD and Zim more often than he did. Its almost as if you have to open your other eye to see that.

Murali has better figures against England, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe than Warne. Let them play equal number of matches against each of these oppositions from their complement of matches, Murali would still be at the front.

 

[the big bambino]

^ You can't judge players on a small number of tests.

Judges Warne on 3 tests.

 

[Migara]

1990-2010 of the top 5 wicket takers against BD 4 were spinners.

Murali, herath, Kaneria and Vettori is the only odd name. You expect Asian spinners to dominate Asian teams one time or the other. ANd this is what happened when they toured. Pacers average 12-18 against Ban. Good spinners as well. But when Collins, Sammy, Streak, Holder and Fernando average peanuts against them, you know the problem.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yes its incredible isn't it? Its amazing how much better off Murali would have been playing more often against England but can't see that Warne would've benefitted playing BD and Zim more often than he did. Its almost as if you have to open your other eye to see that.

Well yeah in Warne's 1 match against Zimbabwe in his career he averaged 22 which isn't as good as Murali averaged in his 14 matches against Zimbabwe.
Likewise Warne only averaged 27 (pretty crap) in his whole 2 matches against Bangaldesh, not even close to Murali's superior average from his 11 matches against Bangladesh.

We can extrapolate with 100% certainty (sample sizes don't matter right) that Warne would have maintained a similar average for a greater number of matches.

I also learned that Murali's average of 20 against England compared to Warne's average of 23 (I guess that 63% of Murali's games against England being in generally spin-friendly Sri Lanka doesn't matter) means that Murali was super unlucky that he didn't get to play against them as much as Warne did.

 

[Migara]

^ You can't judge players on a small number of tests.

Judges Warne on 3 tests.

Fair point, but haven't seen the same logic when discussing Sangakkara's record or Murali's record in Australia.

 

[the big bambino]

Murali, herath, Kaneria and Vettori is the only odd name. You expect Asian spinners to dominate Asian teams one time or the other. ANd this is what happened when they toured. Pacers average 12-18 against Ban. Good spinners as well. But when Collins, Sammy, Streak, Holder and Fernando average peanuts against them, you know the problem.

Have another look. The worst spinner average against them was 27. All but one or two averaged less than 20 against them. Some so so names too. They had a problem with all sorts of bowling and bowlers.

 

[Migara]

I also learned that Murali's average of 20 against England compared to Warne's average of 23 (I guess that 63% of Murali's games against England being in generally spin-friendly Sri Lanka doesn't matter) means that Murali was super unlucky that he didn't get to play against them as much as Warne did.

I learnt that Warne averages 21.94 in England and Murali averages 19.20. 6 matches for Murali 48 wickets, 22 matches would have resulted in 176 compared to Warne's 129. Super unlucky, yeah.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah I think we can do away with this "England were worse at playing spin than Bangladesh" myth, which should have been obvious from the get-go tbh
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[the big bambino]

Fair point, but haven't seen the same logic when discussing Sangakkara's record or Murali's record in Australia.

If you compare the two its fair. If you compare Warne and Murali it isn't. Because the discrepancy in tests is minimal btwn Sanga and Murali in Oz. Its vast between Warne and Murali in the comparison you are making.