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Ranking the candidates for best fast bowler ever - ~20 contenders

trundler

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Hall not making the cut is pretty dire. I'd have him somewhere close to Roberts and Davidson.
 

cnerd123

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Hall not making the cut is pretty dire. I'd have him somewhere close to Roberts and Davidson.
If you cut off voting to a pool of X number of cricketers, there will always be cricketers on the fringes of X who miss out or get overlooked that then other people complain about not having

Personally, if I was Mr Mister, I'd make as comprehensive a list as I could, and ask people to be 20 (or 25 or 30 or whatever) out of that large list. You basically just don't want people writing in Mustafizur Rahman into number 1 and ****ing up the data (ala Ian Harvey in that ODI cricketers list we did...), but you also don't want such a narrow list that exclude some players who deserve to be in the discussion.
 

harsh.ag

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If you cut off voting to a pool of X number of cricketers, there will always be cricketers on the fringes of X who miss out or get overlooked that then other people complain about not having

Personally, if I was Mr Mister, I'd make as comprehensive a list as I could, and ask people to be 20 (or 25 or 30 or whatever) out of that large list. You basically just don't want people writing in Mustafizur Rahman into number 1 and ****ing up the data (ala Ian Harvey in that ODI cricketers list we did...), but you also don't want such a narrow list that exclude some players who deserve to be in the discussion.
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Engle

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If you cut off voting to a pool of X number of cricketers, there will always be cricketers on the fringes of X who miss out or get overlooked that then other people complain about not having

Personally, if I was Mr Mister, I'd make as comprehensive a list as I could, and ask people to be 20 (or 25 or 30 or whatever) out of that large list. You basically just don't want people writing in Mustafizur Rahman into number 1 and ****ing up the data (ala Ian Harvey in that ODI cricketers list we did...), but you also don't want such a narrow list that exclude some players who deserve to be in the discussion.
Agree. Come up with a list of 40 pacers. From which, vote for the Top 20. This may take more work, but it would be more reflective of people's choice.
And provide recognition to some missing names : Statham, McKenzie, Spofforth...
 

Bolo

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If you cut off voting to a pool of X number of cricketers, there will always be cricketers on the fringes of X who miss out or get overlooked that then other people complain about not having

Personally, if I was Mr Mister, I'd make as comprehensive a list as I could, and ask people to be 20 (or 25 or 30 or whatever) out of that large list. You basically just don't want people writing in Mustafizur Rahman into number 1 and ****ing up the data (ala Ian Harvey in that ODI cricketers list we did...), but you also don't want such a narrow list that exclude some players who deserve to be in the discussion.
This is more accurate. The way it's being done is much simpler though. None of the guys not on the list would place high up anyway.

The really egregious offence is forcing CW to vote Anderson onto a list of the top bowlers ever :)
 

jaideep

U19 12th Man
Lillee
Steyn
McGrath
Marshall
Barnes
Ambrose
Wasim
Hadlee
Trueman
Holding
Garner
Imran
Lindwall
Donald
Larwood
Davidson
Waqar
Pollock
Roberts
Bedser
Anderson
Walsh
Tyson
Adcock
Philander
 
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Starfighter

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Anderson has longevity and aggregate records
I use this rule when it comes to longevity: being mediocre (or whatever) for a long time doesn't somehow magically make you great. Anderson simply doesn't have the all round record (in this case away performances) to be considered near most of the others on that list, despite his longevity.
 

ma1978

International Debutant
1. Marshall
2. Hadlee
3. Steyn
4. Ambrose
5. Wasim
6. Mcgrath
7. Larwood
8. Holding
9. Donald
10. Lillee
11. Waqar
12. Trueman
13. Imran
14. Garner
15. Lindwall
16. Davidson
17. Pollock
18. Roberts
19. Barnes
20. Adcock
21. Tyson
22. Walsh
23. Philander
24. Bedser
25. Anderson
 

jimmy101

Cricketer Of The Year
Barnes
Marshall
Lillee
Larwood
Steyn
Ambrose
McGrath
Holding
Trueman
Lindwall
Waqar
Tyson
Adcock
Wasim
Donald
Bedser
Hadlee
Imran
Davidson
Pollock
Garner
Roberts
Walsh
Philander
Anderson
 

bagapath

International Captain
Marshall
Hadlee
McGrath
Lillee
Imran
Barnes
Ambrose
Steyn
Trueman
Wasim
Holding
Garner
Lindwall
Davidson
Donald
Waqar
Roberts
Adcock
Pollock
Bedser
Walsh
Larwood
Philander
Tyson
Anderson
 

bagapath

International Captain
Some guys who would've really rocked on their day but didn't have a career long enough to make it to this list...

Ryan Harris
Shane Bond
Colin Croft
Peter Pollock
Fanie De Villiers
 

Daemon

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I've tried about three times now and never got past 1. McGrath and 25. Anderson.

So yeah just gonna give up lol
 

Bolo

State Captain
Some guys who would've really rocked on their day but didn't have a career long enough to make it to this list...

Ryan Harris
Shane Bond
Colin Croft
Peter Pollock
Fanie De Villiers
Of these, the only one that I think deserves a place rather than an honourable mention is Pollock. 9 year career on paper, even if the period meant very few tests, plus his career was ended by something completely external to himself. World number 1 ranked bowler at the time.

I'd prefer to see him on this list above Tyson and larwood, who he played a lot more than both in terms of time and number of tests. Tyson injured himself out too fast to judge, while larwood wasn't a consistent feature in the side due to not being good enough/picking up injuries before eventually being dropped over the outcry over the tactics in the series that made his name.
 

bagapath

International Captain
I do believe Bond and Harris were good enough to take 250+ wickets under 25 with a SR under 54 and thus become ATG bowlers automatically...
 

Bolo

State Captain
Bond and Harris were more talented than a number who made the cut. Having a body that could hold up for a reasonable length of time was unfortunately not a talent they had though.

Bishop deserves a mention with them.
 

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