smash84
The Tiger King
I think Stuart Clark belongs in the discussion with Harris.I do believe Bond and Harris were good enough to take 250+ wickets under 25 with a SR under 54 and thus become ATG bowlers automatically...
I think Stuart Clark belongs in the discussion with Harris.I do believe Bond and Harris were good enough to take 250+ wickets under 25 with a SR under 54 and thus become ATG bowlers automatically...
No. For example, I'd take Mo Asif way before Stu Clark (but not before Harris).I think Stuart Clark belongs in the discussion with Harris.
why?No. For example, I'd take Mo Asif way before Stu Clark (but not before Harris).
>tfw you type out a long post and then the very next post makes the same point but much more conciselyRyan Harris wasn't that great a bowler until he turned 30 or so. So even if he was fit, how many wickets he really could have taken in his career?
Too many.Ryan Harris wasn't that great a bowler until he turned 30 or so. So even if he was fit, how many wickets he really could have taken in his career?
That's almost exactly my top 5, too although sometimes I'd have Marshall and Mcgrath #1 and switch Ambrose and Steyn.And Bruce Reid who could have been an ATG with better management.
As for the rest of the discussion, we had a fast bowler survival thread around 2010 and the Pakistani quicks ended up quite high on the list. Marshall rightly was number 1.
The main question at the time was where would Steyn end up at the end of his career. He's moved to top 5/10 for mine. Brilliant bowler. Best non- McGrath/Ambrose I've seen since Marshall.
I guess my top five are:
Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Ambrose
Steyn
As for Australian bias, I guess it happens when your side has been the number one more often than anyone else.
because I was strangely thinking of Simon Jones when you said Stuart Clarkwhy?
Bishop but no Hall?My top 20:
Marshall
McGrath
Steyn
Hadlee
Imran
Ambrose
Donald
Lillee
Akram
Trueman
Garner
Waqar
Holding
Lindwall
Davidson
Walsh
Roberts
Pollock S.
Miller
Pollock P.
Bedser
Statham
Bishop
Fazal
Adcock
Kapil played half of his tests in IndiaYeah that's a bit harsh on Anderson. Kapil was a great all rounder and cricketer but no way is he better than Jimmy with the better average and SR in a more batting friendly era. I get the comparison between them based on longevity but Jimmy is hands down better.
And he averaged worse away from India. What gives?Kapil played half of his tests in India
Virtually all ATG fast bowlers who bowled in both India and Australia had better bowling averages in India than Australia. The 2 notable exceptions where Hadlee and Ambrose.Kapil played half of his tests in India