***Official*** Australia in England 2018

[trundler]

It's a purple patch in suitable conditions against **** opposition

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Miyagi just has overlooked neighbouring country syndrome. Skimmed through the thread and a) what do Bradman and McGrath have to do with this? and b) cricket isn't as simple as adding and subtracting averages. Butterfly effect and all that

There is no neighbouring country syndrome. There is just SR per averages. And England is dominating this.

Bradman, McGrath and Smith don't solve it. McGrath gets benched if you really want my opinion based on IPL facts. Symonds and Watson help no end in solving it.

I'm not adding and subtracting averages. You can take your butterfly effect (or ripples in a stone skimmed on a lake) - but the facts remain - not everyone can slog this way. No matter how big bats are, no matter how good the original GN Scoop was or the Chappel bros that used it.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

England, copying NZ but better, took my dream team way of playing the back yard cricket and made it real.

How we all as kids (even those in Aus) knew the game could be played, but they've done it. England's done it first.

Not a sim. Not EA sports, but real cricket. ODI cricket at that.

They took our logic and made it the reality.

Sorry but I support that England made my younger man dreams real. England of all countries - surely they were most boring established ODI nation - but no, them!

Well done England. They keep me interested in internationals not featuring NZ or Aus (as former greats).

 

[harsh.ag]

An Australia-England tour thread worse than an India-Bangladesh one at PlanetCricket.

Amaze. Well done to everyone involved.

 

[trundler]

There is no neighbouring country syndrome. There is just SR per averages. And England is dominating this.

Bradman, McGrath and Smith don't solve it. McGrath gets benched if you really want my opinion based on IPL facts. Symonds and Watson help no end in solving it.

I'm not adding and subtracting averages. You can take your butterfly effect (or ripples in a stone skimmed on a lake) - but the facts remain - not everyone can slog this way. No matter how big bats are, no matter how good the original GN Scoop was or the Chappel bros that used it.

40 year old fast bowler gets benched 2 years after he's retired. How is that relevant to anything? Miyagi just wishes anyone gave a **** about hobbitland

 

[trundler]

An Australia-England tour thread worse than an India-Bangladesh one at PlanetCricket.

Amaze. Well done to everyone involved.

Is that better or worse than PakPassion?

 

[Mr Miyagi]

40 year old fast bowler gets benched 2 years after he's retired. How is that relevant to anything? Miyagi just wishes anyone gave a **** about hobbitland

Noone in hobbitland conceded a 100 like Lewis or Tye #just saying :P

You're in a glass house right now, careful what you throw

#481 no Kiwi's bowling. Not even Ben Stokes. :P

 

[TheJediBrah]

Miyagi just has overlooked neighbouring country syndrome. Skimmed through the thread and a) what do Bradman and McGrath have to do with this? and b) cricket isn't as simple as adding and subtracting averages. Butterfly effect and all that

Miyagi has the biggest inferiority complex I've ever seen when it comes to anything Australia. He's obsessed and tries to manipulate everything into ridiculous nationalistic arguments and it's ruining every ****ing thread.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Miyagi has the biggest inferiority complex I've ever seen when it comes to anything Australia. He's obsessed and tries to manipulate everything into ridiculous nationalistic arguments and it's ruining every ****ing thread.

Awww JediBrah, I have 481 reasons why this isn't remotely true.

Right now I am listening to Crowded House, Aussies like them right? I am your Antipodean brother. From a different mother.

But like Adders my passport (well one of them, you think Aus is multi cultural - but I am myself truly multicultural) says United Kingdom (and European Union) on it. Pigeon hole that before Brexit!

The World Cup just confuses me entirely. Go Europe (they're all just Kolpak's right)!

 

[trundler]

Awww JediBrah, I have 481 reasons why this isn't remotely true.

FFS, you're not even good at being condescending or do I need to ascend to a higher level of intellect to see the humour but I'll desist before this devolves into nationalistic dickwaving once more.

Anyway, England are pretty formidable right now and I'd like too see what happens when there's 3/20 in 4 overs which will eventually IMO.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

FFS, you're not even good at being condescending or do I need to ascend to a higher level of intellect to see the humour but I'll desist before this devolves into nationalistic dickwaving once more.

You quoted. You replied. You lost.

Anyway, England are pretty formidable right now and I'd like too see what happens when there's 3/20 in 4 overs which will eventually IMO.

Agreed, but they were already 4 or 5/450+ - do it earlier next time :P

 

[Burgey]

Tim Paine, watching his post match interview yesterday it struck me what a courteous, gentile, honest and well-mannered individual he was...

You’re saying Australia needs a Jewish captain?

 

[Mr Miyagi]

You’re saying Australia needs a Jewish captain?

I love bagels. I'm all for it.

I'll have an Aus Coach mistake and cheese, with Ranch

Oh no Ranch - just mayonnaise with corned beef flavor is fine.

(I only expect Australians who are lawyers outside Vic to get this joke. I have a Jewish cousin who owns/ed a finance company. #Sue me.)

 

[Cow]

You’re saying Australia needs a Jewish captain?

LOL. great spot. damn typo.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

LOL. great spot. damn typo.

Nah - you used past tense - Tim Paine is clearly still alive. And gentile means "non-Jew".

Go David Irving styles on this pretender :P
I'll even give you you sledgers like if you avoid Hitler discussions.

 

[stephen]

'07 Aussies had a similar aura, tbh. The whole 'just when you think you've got the guns out, look who's walking to the wicket....' thing. The bowling from the '07 a bit better, perhaps. Tough to pick a winner if they played against each other.

'07 Aussies in a canter. McGrath would rip through the top and middle orders before you could say "moves it a bat's width". Hogg would spin out the tail.

Looking back over the last few World Cups.

'99 Warne ripped through South Africa in the semi-final and Pakistan in the final.

'03 McGrath dismisses Tendulkar in the first over of the Indian run chase and takes two more wickets in a thumping win.

'07 McGrath and Tait run through the SAffers in the semi final and restrict them to under 150, giving the batsmen an easy chase.

'11 Murali, Mendis and Malinga dismiss NZ cheaply to catapult themselves into the final. Indian bowlers each took 2 wickets to shut down the Pakistan chase to get themselves into the final.

'15 Starc takes the key NZ wicket in the first over. Faulkner, Johnson and Starc take a combined 8 wickets to dismiss NZ for under 200 and give their batsmen a big chase.

In every single world cup, key matches have been heavily influenced by bowlers. A world cup winning side needs to be good with both bat and ball and this England team really doesn't seem to have good bowlers (except against Australian batsmen, who are not very good). They also appear weak to high quality bowling, especially on a surface that gives the bowlers something. An ATG bowler or two would be able to put them on the back foot and cut the runs down significantly.

 

[stephen]

In 2007 the main 4 Aussie bowlers between them took 86 wickets averaging 7.8 wpm! Which is probably why they were so dominant.

 

[trundler]

'07 Aussies in a canter. McGrath would rip through the top and middle orders before you could say "moves it a bat's width". Hogg would spin out the tail.

Looking back over the last few World Cups.

'99 Warne ripped through South Africa in the semi-final and Pakistan in the final.

'03 McGrath dismisses Tendulkar in the first over of the Indian run chase and takes two more wickets in a thumping win.

'07 McGrath and Tait run through the SAffers in the semi final and restrict them to under 150, giving the batsmen an easy chase.

'11 Murali, Mendis and Malinga dismiss NZ cheaply to catapult themselves into the final. Indian bowlers each took 2 wickets to shut down the Pakistan chase to get themselves into the final.

'15 Starc takes the key NZ wicket in the first over. Faulkner, Johnson and Starc take a combined 8 wickets to dismiss NZ for under 200 and give their batsmen a big chase.

In every single world cup, key matches have been heavily influenced by bowlers. A world cup winning side needs to be good with both bat and ball and this England team really doesn't seem to have good bowlers (except against Australian batsmen, who are not very good). They also appear weak to high quality bowling, especially on a surface that gives the bowlers something. An ATG bowler or two would be able to put them on the back foot and cut the runs down significantly.

Move along, thats not the 2018 way. If you don't bat to 11 with bits and pieces bowlers you're delusional.

Great thing about mcgrath you can count on him to take down the big guns

 

[Borges]

There is no point living in the past.

I repeat: a full strength Australian side (including the sandpaper crowd) won't win a series, either home or away, against this English side.

I add: in one-off knockout game in the WC, any team can beat any other team; there are no near 100% favourites.

 

[Top_Cat]

'07 Aussies in a canter. McGrath would rip through the top and middle orders before you could say "moves it a bat's width". Hogg would spin out the tail.

Looking back over the last few World Cups.

'99 Warne ripped through South Africa in the semi-final and Pakistan in the final.

'03 McGrath dismisses Tendulkar in the first over of the Indian run chase and takes two more wickets in a thumping win.

'07 McGrath and Tait run through the SAffers in the semi final and restrict them to under 150, giving the batsmen an easy chase.

'11 Murali, Mendis and Malinga dismiss NZ cheaply to catapult themselves into the final. Indian bowlers each took 2 wickets to shut down the Pakistan chase to get themselves into the final.

'15 Starc takes the key NZ wicket in the first over. Faulkner, Johnson and Starc take a combined 8 wickets to dismiss NZ for under 200 and give their batsmen a big chase.

In every single world cup, key matches have been heavily influenced by bowlers. A world cup winning side needs to be good with both bat and ball and this England team really doesn't seem to have good bowlers (except against Australian batsmen, who are not very good). They also appear weak to high quality bowling, especially on a surface that gives the bowlers something. An ATG bowler or two would be able to put them on the back foot and cut the runs down significantly.

I think they'd win because they were a great team but a canter is too much, one feels. McG is McG so expect nothing but the best there. Tait hasn't been as good in T20's against the guys who ramp/flick/etc. so he'd have to respond to a top-7 who all do that. In a similar vein, Hogg and Bracken were quality ODI bowlers who liked bats coming at them hard so their MO was to turn the screws after an early wicket or two but I wonder how they'd go against a batting line-up with basically no restraints and no need to salvage after a wicket. I maintain the game would be tight.