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South Africa team selection

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Kuhn deserved the chance but when you that age you need to hit the ground running like Cook did and unfortunately he just hasn't looked like being able to keep the good one's out when he has got them. That sounds harsh but to be a success at this level you need to do that every so often :D

So we know where Markram fits in. Where does QdK, Bavuma and presuming Theunis fit in, in the order ? In SA we probably will only need 4 bowlers so you assume Theunis comes in. Unless they worried about Vern's workload. QdK at 4 probably deserves more opportunity but it is possibly 1/2 spots too high for his position.

My concern right now is still the batting. Only Windies/Zimbabwe have averaged less as a top 7 in last year. Still no century this series and how many centuries in our last 10 tests ?

Firdose's article for our debate.

SA need to scratch their opener itch - ESPN Cricinfo
Kuhn did deserve the chance. But our opening partnership has been a problem for to long, we need to put a talented player like Markram in hope for the best and help him work on his technique. At least we will be certain of say the next 12/18 months of what our opening partnership will be regardless of anything else.

In a strange way I would not mind Bavuma in our top 3, he has a simple compact technique and leaves the ball well. Most often he is getting out when he does because he drives at balls to far outside his reach, when he feels the need to accelerate. If he came in the top 3 then he will be asked to take the shine off the ball rather than score runs quickly. That could allow us to have Bavuma/Amla/Faf 3/4/5 ? QDK at 6. Problem is 7 because I want to play the extra bat rather than Morris, but de Bruyn is much to low at 7. Which then puts QDK at 7 and that puts probably our best and most aggressive bat at 7. None of this is easy, it will have to be done inside the camp because they will understand the players the best and how they cope with the different positions.

Saying all that, QDK at 4 if we can sort out the top 3 would be fantastic he could really take control of the game from that position. Maybe a bit of flexibilty? with Bavuma or Faf coming in if we lose early quick wickets. But there seems to be a great emphasis on players knowing their positions...

I can say that I am a fan of 6 bats, wk, 4 bowlers. If your wk can bat top 6 then a batting allrounder at 7 is ideal. Hence I would be really excited for Smith and/or Mulder to come along sooner rather than later.
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
If Markram is an aggresive bat, I actually see some value in moving Amla down to 4 and either Du Plessis or Bavuma batting at 3.
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
If Markram is an aggresive bat, I actually see some value in moving Amla down to 4 and either Du Plessis or Bavuma batting at 3.
Yes he is, he trends to hit a lot of boundaries from what I`ve seen of him, he tends to get out early or go big. Lots of big List A and FC centuries. Unfortunately I think he is still learning to rotate the strike properly and I`m not 100% sure how he deals with spinners.... but he is young and highly talented.
 

91Jmay

International Coach
They might as well give him a go, and at least it would be a look to the future instead of picking old guys who do very little.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Personally I don't think de Kock at 4 looks a goer when he's still keeping - too much workload on him and if he's training in both disciplines it doesn't give him time to focus on his batting enough to develop it to bat so high up.

I also think that even with his fifties in this series, Philander is not a long term option at 7.
 

Howe_zat

Audio File
I also think that even with his fifties in this series, Philander is not a long term option at 7.
Agree, just robs the lineup of the strength of having him at #8. If Morris is going to make the team he needs to be there as an allrounder and show something in the top seven, because I can't see him getting in as a bowler.

Having de Kock in the team gives SA a lot of options. I wouldn't worry much about having a rigid spot in the order, just keep him up your sleeve and play him when the time is right. If you've two early wickets, send in Bavuma or du Plessis.
 

91Jmay

International Coach
De Kock at 4 batting first or after a light workload, shuffle him and Bavuma if he's kept for extended period or they lose few early wickets like Howe says. Bavuma does need to convert far more often but he has a good technique and mentally seems solid.
 

SeamUp

International Coach
I agree on Amla. I've been suggesting it for some time that he drops to 4 now like Kallis did.

Theunis de Bruyn is a number 3 so that is also an option. Can counter-punch too naturally.
 

91Jmay

International Coach
I agree on Amla. I've been suggesting it for some time that he drops to 4 now like Kallis did.

Theunis de Bruyn is a number 3 so that is also an option. Can counter-punch too naturally.
He looked alright in first Tests as well, harsh to be dropped.
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I agree on Amla. I've been suggesting it for some time that he drops to 4 now like Kallis did.

Theunis de Bruyn is a number 3 so that is also an option. Can counter-punch too naturally.
I thought Amla was not happy with 4. Or was that when he was in India and just taken over the captaincy?

If de Bruyn comes in at 3 then QDK is batting at 7 most likely. (Would have to come in and replace Morris.)
 

Stefan9

International Debutant
Personally I would stick with qdk at 4. He is our most dynamic player, batting at 4 allows him to set the pace.
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
I agree on Amla. I've been suggesting it for some time that he drops to 4 now like Kallis did.

Theunis de Bruyn is a number 3 so that is also an option. Can counter-punch too naturally.
Nice stiff nick behind early doors with him at three. Rather have Bavuma there. He may not get more than 30 odd but he will take 90 balls out of the game.
 

SeamUp

International Coach
Iffy as a front line coach selection. Is he the best possible ? Hmmmmm

New team trying to be developed perhaps the most vital time for a coach at international level.
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Iffy as a front line coach selection. Is he the best possible ? Hmmmmm

New team trying to be developed perhaps the most vital time for a coach at international level.
He has a lot of experience, is he the best? I don`t know but I am surprised they picked somebody that is not from SA.
 

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