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*Official* Women's Cricket discussion thread

TheJediBrah

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Ftr if it was a Serena Sharapova final and the other one was Djokovic and Raonic, then I would expect more people to watch the Serena game.
Not true at all. I recall a couple years ago they were struggling to sell seats for Sharapova games and there was speculation that it was because of the annoying as **** noises she makes.
The four Slams are the fulcrum of the tennis calendar though.
How is that relevant? If anything it does the opposite of support your point, ie. that only in the main draws can women's tennis be anywhere near as popular as mens.

Who cares anyway? Women's sport in general will never be as popular or lucrative as men's, and the standard will never be anywhere near as good. It doesn't mean it doesn't have it's place though.
 
Come on! Most people only watch the four Slams. The Davis Cup and Olympics get a few watching also however the ATPs are seen as exhibition stuff. Some players do not even play them, choosing to prioritise the Slams. And we are presumably comparing Grand Slams to a similar level of competition in other women's sports, the women's world cup and twenty20 cup, the Ashes, etc.

Ok that's enough. This statement is just plain wrong. Players do not have a choice about whether they play or not. If they don't play the required number of tournaments they are penalised. Except with an exception for being injured all the top players are required to play all the masters 1000 tournaments (except Monte Carlo) plus at least 4 of the 500 series tournaments. Saying they don't play them is embarrassing.

And again you are missing the point - half the crowd leaves when the women come on. Undeniably true and if you actually tune in some time you will see it.
 
How is that relevant? If anything it does the opposite of support your point, ie. that only in the main draws can women's tennis be anywhere near as popular as mens.

This is exactly right. And the women's game is largely supported by having the men play at the same time. Look what happens when a women's tournament is stand alone with no men's tournament on at the same time and venue - virtually no one goes!
 

S.Kennedy

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Ok that's enough. This statement is just plain wrong. Players do not have a choice about whether they play or not. If they don't play the required number of tournaments they are penalised. Except with an exception for being injured all the top players are required to play all the masters 1000 tournaments (except Monte Carlo) plus at least 4 of the 500 series tournaments. Saying they don't play them is embarrassing.

And again you are missing the point - half the crowd leaves when the women come on. Undeniably true and if you actually tune in some time you will see it.
Really? I read the Williams sisters are very selective, basically concentrating on the Slams. Nadal (and Federer also I think) ditch Queens.
 
Really? I read the Williams sisters are very selective, basically concentrating on the Slams. Nadal (and Federer also I think) ditch Queens.

Women's rules are different but there are still several mandatory tournaments. You mentioned the ATP (men's tour FYI) and I told you the rules. Queens is a 500 level tournament and it's on the same week as another 500 level tournament in Halle. That's where Federer usually has his Wimbledon lead up (he's an 8 time champion).
 

Neil Young

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Really? I read the Williams sisters are very selective, basically concentrating on the Slams. Nadal (and Federer also I think) ditch Queens.
Federer has never played Queens. He plays the Halle grass court tournament every year, which is the same week. Nadal plays Queens regularly when not injured.

Back on topic, Amelia Kerr is going to be a NZ great. 16 and plays for NZ already, opens the batting for Wellington as well as bowling wicket taking legspin. Granddaughter of BAGS Murray and goes to my old high school. What's not to like?
 

S.Kennedy

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Women's rules are different but there are still several mandatory tournaments. You mentioned the ATP (men's tour FYI) and I told you the rules. Queens is a 500 level tournament and it's on the same week as another 500 level tournament in Halle. That's where Federer usually has his Wimbledon lead up (he's an 8 time champion).
Then this would include the Williams sisters, who have turned down many competitions in order to focus on the grand slams? I know this for a fact as I remember Sue Barker or somebody talking about how they just play the Slams.
 

Neil Young

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Then this would include the Williams sisters, who have turned down many competitions in order to focus on the grand slams? I know this for a fact as I remember Sue Barker or somebody talking about how they just play the Slams.
The Williams sisters play far more tournaments that just the Grand Slams. WTA members have to enter so many tournaments a year.

Google is your friend.....my friend.
 

S.Kennedy

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The Williams sisters play far more tournaments that just the Grand Slams. WTA members have to enter so many tournaments a year.

Google is your friend.....my friend.
Well what the heck was Sue Barker or Becker or whoever it was going on about then? They said they ''concentrate mostly on the Slams'' - I distinctly remember this from the Wimbledon commentary or punditry.
 

grecian

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Not true at all. I recall a couple years ago they were struggling to sell seats for Sharapova games and there was speculation that it was because of the annoying as **** noises she makes.

How is that relevant? If anything it does the opposite of support your point, ie. that only in the main draws can women's tennis be anywhere near as popular as mens.

Who cares anyway? Women's sport in general will never be as popular or lucrative as men's, and the standard will never be anywhere near as good. It doesn't mean it doesn't have it's place though.

Really, where did you read this?Blogs? someones been ****ing up by giving her all that appearance money. Mind you Sharapova-serena matches aren't a great example of a big natch, as it's so one-sided.

In the end, as Zinzan says, I prefer WTA, partly because of it's faults. There are more UE's because players go for it more, the grinding game of many on the ATP is dull for me. There's more drama because, yes, often Women show more emotions. Mind you, I suppose Paire, Fognini and Kyrgios may be arguments against that.

I like womens Golf and cricket too, but not as much as the mens games, partly because brute-force is less prevalent, and that can be a problem with tennis too. It's all down to the technology for me, the things they hit it with just do too much nowadays for me. Big strong blokes bashing things is fine for a bit, but it can be tiring.

Yet they'll never be as popular because, shock horror, men generally play and watch sport more. There's a case to be made that the reason the WTA is most the popular female sport is the glamour and fashion involved in that game. Gymnastics and ice Skating the women are more famous too, in general.

ATP is more popular, but if needed WTA could survive easily on their own, but prize money would be hit. Yet the Grand Slams are really successful, so why would they change it, people do like WTA too, and it all works. Equal prize money is just good PR. It creates hate amongst a few odd-balls on social media, but in general it works for the Slams image.

Yet, as you say, they all have their place, and in the end it helps all sports to promote an atmosphere welcoming for everyone, so people that think promoting and investing in this is detrimental to mens sport are quite frankly silly. It has massive up-sides and the more people play the better they get, so the standard goes up.

I think what Barker and Becker are getting at with the Williams sisters stuff is they concentrate their season mainly around the Slams, which is nothing new for older players, I think that's Fed's way of doing things ATM.
 
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TheJediBrah

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Really, where did you read this?Blogs? someones been ****ing up by giving her all that appearance money. Mind you Sharapova-serena matches aren't a great example of a big natch, as it's so one-sided.
No idea, I'm probably remembering it completely wrong too. It sticks in my mind because I remember thinking "yeah she is ****ing annoying". I really don't know **** about tennis.
 

Son Of Coco

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I've had a theory for a while that women ought to be able to make better spin bowlers than men, because of greater wrist/shoulder flexibility. In fact, if my theory is correct, it's one of the few ways in which a female sportsperson ought to be better than a male equivalent (thanks mostly to cricket being a skill and not strength based sport)/
I think as long as she's aware of how to use the proper grip, she doesn't try to rip it too hard, and she isn't too jerky leading up to the release, you may well be right.
 
Then this would include the Williams sisters, who have turned down many competitions in order to focus on the grand slams? I know this for a fact as I remember Sue Barker or somebody talking about how they just play the Slams.

If you don't follow tennis (which you clearly don't) then you should take the suggestion of another member and use Google before you post. This will help you avoid the embarrassing stuff you're putting out here for the world to see.

Last year Serena Williams played Hopman Cup, Aus Open, Indian Wells, Miami, Rome, French Open, Wimbledon, Olympics & US Open. She had also planned to play Madrid, Montreal, Cincinnati, Wuhan, Beijing & WTA finals but was forced to withdraw due to injury/illness. So 15 tournaments. Venus played 16 (maybe more if she had to withdraw from some).

So no, not just the Grand Slams by any stretch. :laugh:
 

S.Kennedy

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If you don't follow tennis (which you clearly don't) then you should take the suggestion of another member and use Google before you post. This will help you avoid the embarrassing stuff you're putting out here for the world to see.

Last year Serena Williams played Hopman Cup, Aus Open, Indian Wells, Miami, Rome, French Open, Wimbledon, Olympics & US Open. She had also planned to play Madrid, Montreal, Cincinnati, Wuhan, Beijing & WTA finals but was forced to withdraw due to injury/illness. So 15 tournaments. Venus played 16 (maybe more if she had to withdraw from some).

So no, not just the Grand Slams by any stretch. :laugh:
You do not know how wrong you are. I actually grew up on it, twelve years old watching Wimbledon on the box. I was watching tennis before I actually got into cricket!
 
You do not know how wrong you are. I actually grew up on it, twelve years old watching Wimbledon on the box. I was watching tennis before I actually got into cricket!

For someone who claims to have grown up on it you show a startling lack of knowledge. I hope you know more about cricket but given your display here I wouldn't be betting on it.
 

S.Kennedy

International Vice-Captain
For someone who claims to have grown up on it you show a startling lack of knowledge. I hope you know more about cricket but given your display here I wouldn't be betting on it.
You are persevering with this only because I think you speak a right load of twaddle about female crowds.
 
You are persevering with this only because I think you speak a right load of twaddle about female crowds.

You can think what you like about the crowds but you'll still be wrong. Try tuning into a women's match/tournament some time and you'll see I'm 100% on the money. Already told you about the size of the crowd in Dubai this week. Next week when the men play it will be a different story.
 

S.Kennedy

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You can think what you like about the crowds but you'll still be wrong. Try tuning into a women's match/tournament some time and you'll see I'm 100% on the money. Already told you about the size of the crowd in Dubai this week. Next week when the men play it will be a different story.
I'm most likely to go to Wimbledon and I know for a fact that crowds for women's games will be as good as men's. Same for French Open. Try turning on the television once in awhile.
 
I'm most likely to go to Wimbledon and I know for a fact that crowds for women's games will be as good as men's. Same for French Open. Try turning on the television once in awhile.

Now you're just trolling. It should be clear to all that I DO turn on the TV, every single week of the season. That's why I know intricate details of the sport while you're left floundering and reduced to posting clangers like "the Williams sisters only play the grand slams". :laugh:
 

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