S Africa calls for its players to stay

[TheJediBrah]

Sadly professional people leaving is not limited to cricket, people in all sectors of society are fleeing (sportsmen, entrepreneurs, engineers, etc), so I am not sure it is a something CSA can really do anything about.

Seems utterly insane. Great way to fix a country, force it's best and brightest to leave.

 

[brockley]

Marius they have already canvassed another 2 sides,that will just delete a competition that is already depleted by quotas.
The reason Cricket South Africa moved to 6 sides was to strengthen the comp,the best of the best.
Yes a Big Bash a good idea.
What South Africa have to do is ban players who play for counties,it hurts the comp,but these mercenaries are taking the place of white South Africans who want to play for South Africa.
Maybe if players are banned from playing in South Africa,they may think again before taking up such a deal.
The English county contracts are predatory,the asigned player has to commit to playing for England and no one else,thats why they play as locals.

 

[Mike5181]

Yeah, it's a very difficult situation.

Just something that should be highlighted is that of the two current black players in the side - Rabada and Bavuma - are both from solid middle class backgrounds. Bavuma's dad was an editor at a number of big South African newspapers and Rabada's dad is a brain surgeon (and both went to private schools).

So both would probably have done ok in life without affirmative action anyway.

Which is the problem - affirmative action and other redress schemes already benefits the 'insiders' and doesn't really do anything for most people living in grinding poverty and in shacks or rural areas.

Cricket itself has relatively high barriers to entry as well. People from those areas are more likely to view cricket as a luxury rather than something that's accessible to them in any serious capacity. Even ignoring the cost of equipment, the amount of money spent on coaching some the greats from a early age would be huge. It's the same over here in New Zealand. You don't see a huge amount of Polynesians or Maori people playing the game despite there being a reasonably significant number of them in the country. A lot of the legitimately poor ones actually favour Kilikiti.

 

[Marius]

Cricket itself has relatively high barriers to entry as well. People from those areas are more likely to view cricket as a luxury rather than something that's accessible to them in any serious capacity. Even ignoring the cost of equipment, the amount of money spent on coaching some the greats from a early age would be huge. It's the same over here in New Zealand. You don't see a huge amount of Polynesians or Maori people playing the game despite there being a reasonably significant number of them in the country. A lot of the legitimately poor ones actually favour Kilikiti.

Exactly, getting a full set of kit from scratch will set you back at least R2 000, which is a lot of money for lots of people.

Afrikaners in South Africa are also another example. Afrikaners were few-and-far between in South African cricket until about the 1970s and 1980s. Part of the reason is that Afrikaner incomes only caught up to English incomes in about the 1950s, so Afrikaners who were interested in cricket could then start getting involved in the game, encouraging their sons etc.

https://johanfourie.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/firdose-moonda-siphe-mzaidume/

 

[StephenZA]

Sadly professional people leaving is not limited to cricket, people in all sectors of society are fleeing (sportsmen, entrepreneurs, engineers, etc), so I am not sure it is a something CSA can really do anything about.

This very much so... quota or no quota... I`m one of those people.

Seems utterly insane. Great way to fix a country, force it's best and brightest to leave.

This is about politics and power in SA and bad governance... in 20+ years time SA may be in a better position if things start changing now but anybody in their 20`s(+) does not want to give the best years of their lives in hope when given a better opportunity... truth for many around the world.

 

[SeamUp]

Supposedly there will be an announcement about the Abbott thing in the next day or two according to Haysman.

 

[kykweer.proteas]

Cricket itself has relatively high barriers to entry as well. People from those areas are more likely to view cricket as a luxury rather than something that's accessible to them in any serious capacity. Even ignoring the cost of equipment, the amount of money spent on coaching some the greats from a early age would be huge. It's the same over here in New Zealand. You don't see a huge amount of Polynesians or Maori people playing the game despite there being a reasonably significant number of them in the country. A lot of the legitimately poor ones actually favour Kilikiti.

Football will ALWAYS dominate cricket.

 

[SeamUp]

Football will ALWAYS dominate cricket.

And it's not just because of the cost of equipment.

It's so easy to just go to a park and kick a ball and run with a ball by yourself whereas cricket you need players to play with.

 

[Mike5181]

And it's not just because of the cost of equipment.

It's so easy to just go to a park and kick a ball and run with a ball by yourself whereas cricket you need players to play with.

What, you didn't throw a ball against a wall and then hit it on the rebound like I did? Missing out.

 

[kykweer.proteas]

And it's not just because of the cost of equipment.

It's so easy to just go to a park and kick a ball and run with a ball by yourself whereas cricket you need players to play with.

And it's competitive.. even underdogs can feel they have a chance.

No complex laws either, do they even need referees (umpires) when your playing in any open field?

 

[kykweer.proteas]

What, you didn't throw a ball against a wall and then hit it on the rebound like I did? Missing out.

Haha all of us on this website did that.

 

[kykweer.proteas]

On a very related topic, who is next in line after Duminy and Bavuma?

 

[Gnske]

Rossouw and de Bruyn right?

 

[kykweer.proteas]

Rossouw and de Bruyn right?

Next in line will definitely be of a darker shade, I'm just curious who it can be.

 

[Compton]

Even if you accept the logic behind quotas in SA, quotas are stupid at international level. Any underlying inequality will be tackled - or indeed not tackled - at the lower/local levels of the game.

 

[SeamUp]

Exactly, getting a full set of kit from scratch will set you back at least R2 000, which is a lot of money for lots of people.

Afrikaners in South Africa are also another example. Afrikaners were few-and-far between in South African cricket until about the 1970s and 1980s. Part of the reason is that Afrikaner incomes only caught up to English incomes in about the 1950s, so Afrikaners who were interested in cricket could then start getting involved in the game, encouraging their sons etc.

https://johanfourie.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/firdose-moonda-siphe-mzaidume/

True to a certain extent but there were quite a few 'Afrikaans families' who sent their sons to 'English schools' and then played for the Proteas.It still happens today if you look at someone like Wiaan Mulder for example.

But in the 60s our captain was Peter Van der Merwe who went to St Andrews Garahmstown

Many other examples like.

1890s

Nicolaas Theunissen
Jacobus 'Flooi' Du Toit
Charles Fichardt
Frederick Kuys

1900's

JJ Kotze
Billy Zulch


1910s

Fred Le Roux


1920s

Izak Buys
Waldemar Marx
Doug Meintjes
JP Duminy
Denijs Morkel
Edward van der Merwe


1930s

Ken Viljoen
Pieter van der Bijl


1940s

Jack Nel


1950s

Clive van Ryneveld
Peter Heine
Christopher Burger


1960s

Peter van der Merwe
Jackie Du Preez (Rhodesian)

* Probably quite a few I missed above too.


Then came the start of more regular involvement of Afrikaans schools but still quite a few like Peter de Vaal, Roy Pienaar, Adrian Kuiper , Garth Le Roux, Vince van der Bijl, Tertius Bosch whose home languages were English but had Afrikaans routes with those surnames through the 70's, 80's and into 90s

Guys like Kepler Wessels, Hansie Cronje, Allan Donald, Corrie van Zyl, Nicky Boje were all from Bloem and went to Afrikaans first language schools and the rest is history as there have been plenty since.

The history is always interesting.

 

[Gnske]

Next in line will definitely be of a darker shade, I'm just curious who it can be.

Zondo I guess? Unless they want to ignore Hamza's season.

But surely its de Bruyn or Rossouw

 

[kykweer.proteas]

Even if you accept the logic behind quotas in SA, quotas are stupid at international level. Any underlying inequality will be tackled - or indeed not tackled - at the lower/local levels of the game.

That is the policy of all sectors in South Africa. Won't change for cricket.

 

[SeamUp]

Rossouw and de Bruyn right?

That's right.

Rossouw reserve in Oz and injured now so Theunis de Bruyn called up here.

 

[SeamUp]

Next in line will definitely be of a darker shade, I'm just curious who it can be.

Ompie Ramela

Judge Zondo.