*Official* Bangladesh in New Zealand 2016/2017

[jonbrooks]

Credit where it is due and the Bangladeshi bowlers have been spot on. I really enjoy watching when bowlers bowl to plan and bowl to their strengths, instead of trying BS deliveries. Just watch how well Mash has bowled. He's kept the ball up. Allowed it to swing. He can swing the ball both ways and he's been accurate. All that coupled with good field settings to keep the run scoring down.

 

[jonbrooks]

Huge partnership this. If Ronchi performs he can stay in the odi for a bit longer; if Broom performs he will be making a test debut in a couple of weeks.

To quote Navjot Singh Siddhu

If ifs and buts were pots and pans there would be no tinkers.

 

[Bahnz]

Yup, that feels more representative of where I feel he's been, even considering his non-captain stats include minnows as well.

Still not a fair comparison though, as it's lumping in all his easy runs against overmatched SRL and WI sides and matching them against a 6 match run against 3 of the best bowling attacks in the world in challenging conditions. If you just look at this record against SA, Pakistan and India before and after the captaincy, it's 33.9 as captain versus 37.2 as a bat.

 

[Zinzan]

Score-sweep anyone?

Zinzan 259 (bowled out in the 48th over with Southee bowled from an ugly swipe across the line)

 

[Bahnz]

Indeed, good delivery, came back in, but jeez he played that early.

I just got the feeling with Munro that he's the sort of player who can bulldoze weak opponents (especially when everything is in his favour) but who suffers from technical deficiencies that will always see him found out in more challenging circumstances. Don't favour him for the test side at all.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Agreed. Of recent times our better batsmen have sought batting advice from Martin Crowe. Now that he is gone we are pretty light in the batting advice department. We need to get rid of Craig McMillan and bring in a hard arsed Oz batting coach. Ditto for bowling.

I was just about to post defending McMillan, but I had forgotten about Crowe.

McMillan has been there a while and to be fair Williamson's rise and Guptill's ODI rise have been under his watch. Albeit tempered by Williamson's current drop off and Guptill's test struggles.

I remember reading McMillan's book ages ago and being surprised how much thought he put into the technical side of things. He criticised Sinclair at one point, saying he was being told the same things about his technique that he was being told when he first debuted, and he just didn't want to listen.

I'd be happy with a new batting coach though.

 

[jonbrooks]

This will be a humiliating loss if we lose to Bangladesh. I know they've been playing well at home but they are a pretty ordinary team otherwise.

 

[BeeGee]

Go the bangers! Good stuff.

 

[Zinzan]

Still not a fair comparison though, as it's lumping in all his easy runs against overmatched SRL and WI sides and matching them against a 6 match run against 3 of the best bowling attacks in the world in challenging conditions. If you just look at this record against SA, Pakistan and India before and after the captaincy, it's 33.9 as captain versus 37.2 as a bat.

I get that, just in that very small sample set of 8 tests, the Zim results were a real outlier. I'd like to think a batsman with the Talent of KW should be able to average 40 vs. the very top opposition, not 33.9, that was the bigger point.

 

[jonbrooks]

I was just about to post defending McMillan, but I had forgotten about Crowe.

McMillan has been there a while and to be fair Williamson's rise and Guptill's ODI rise have been under his watch. Albeit tempered by Williamson's current drop off and Guptill's test struggles.

I remember reading McMillan's book ages ago and being surprised how much thought he put into the technical side of things. He criticised Sinclair at one point, saying he was being told the same things about his technique that he was being told when he first debuted, and he just didn't want to listen.

I'd be happy with a new batting coach though.

We need coaches who players will respect and listen to. Martin Crowe qualifies. Shane Bond qualifies. McMillan doesn't. Neither does the likes of Mascarenhas and Jurgensen for bowling. Our best bowling coaches were Bond and Alan Donald.

 

[Athlai]

I just got the feeling with Munro that he's the sort of player who can bulldoze weak opponents (especially when everything is in his favour) but who suffers from technical deficiencies that will always see him found out in more challenging circumstances. Don't favour him for the test side at all.

I wouldn't mind him at 5 or 6 depending on who we put in the other spot. Guptill clearly the best option for 5 overall though.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

123/5 Nostalgia

 

[Zinzan]

I just got the feeling with Munro that he's the sort of player who can bulldoze weak opponents (especially when everything is in his favour) but who suffers from technical deficiencies that will always see him found out in more challenging circumstances. Don't favour him for the test side at all.

I still hold hopes for Munro as an attacking number 5 at test level, but I agree that dismissal did not look good.

 

[Bahnz]

I think to an extent KW's test form has also been affected by the declining output from his team-mates. McCullum's retirement, Taylor and Watling's decline and Latham's frustrating lack of progress have combined to heap a mass of pressure on KW in the test format. I think that's likely to be at least as significant a factor in his mediocre results as the burden of captaincy.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

285/8

100 for Broom; 50 for Santner

 

[Zinzan]

I was just about to post defending McMillan, but I had forgotten about Crowe.

McMillan has been there a while and to be fair Williamson's rise and Guptill's ODI rise have been under his watch. Albeit tempered by Williamson's current drop off and Guptill's test struggles.

I remember reading McMillan's book ages ago and being surprised how much thought he put into the technical side of things. He criticised Sinclair at one point, saying he was being told the same things about his technique that he was being told when he first debuted, and he just didn't want to listen.

Whether Macca's critiques of Sinclair were valid or not, there is some black kettle pots going on there if you recall how often McMillan got dismissed in a similar fashion.

 

[_Ed_]

With all the carnage around him, 50 off 60 balls is terrific from Broom.

Edit: Oops, not there yet. Relying on Cricinfo for now and it obviously got its scores confused.

 

[Bahnz]

Whether Macca's critiques of Sinclair were valid or not, there is some black kettle pots going on there if you recall how often McMillan got dismissed in a similar fashion.

I don't remember any particularly common thread in McMillan's methods of dismissal, beyond the fact that they were usually hilarious.

 

[centurymaker]

Will still score 280+ if a wicket doesn't fall anytime soon especially till like the 40th over

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I wonder if Doull will acknowledge it was good to select Broom. In the last game he was advocating for Neesham and the Colins at 4,5,6.