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***Official*** Pakistan in New Zealand 2016/17
- Thread starter Niall
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jcas0167
International Regular
Was looking forward to seeing Brownlie tbh.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
Raval in his first innings was equal to or better than any innings Guptill has ever played against a similar quality attack in similar conditions, in his long, long career.
Your narrative has always been that #there'snoonebetter.
We needed to be testing out whether Raval and his peers could do even slightly better than Guptill against real test attacks. Even Rutherford and Fulton weren't really worse against quality attacks, so there has never been any reason to suggest other people in domestic cricket can't be better.
Moss
International Captain
Despite not having played India in that time, there's enough and more admiration around here for what Pakistan have achieved in the last 5 years (at least among those who genuinely follow test cricket). A real shame no Indo-Pak tests took place. A good series in Australia will be a nice way to round off the cycle if we are indeed nearing the end.
Equally I think NZ fans here aren't under any illusion about how the sides actually stack up, and two series undefeated against this Pakistan side is a creditable result for the kiwis (even if that win in Sharjah was a bit clouded).
He better be up to it then.
Blocky
Banned
In his last 30 innings against meaningful opponents, he's had four scores over fifty and five ducks.
Any other country with maybe the exception of Zimbabwe/Bangladesh/West Indies would have dropped him and gone to youth. He's been absolute rubbish for us most of the time since 2013, with only a couple of big scores and not outs keeping his average inflated.
Any other country with maybe the exception of Zimbabwe/Bangladesh/West Indies would have dropped him and gone to youth. He's been absolute rubbish for us most of the time since 2013, with only a couple of big scores and not outs keeping his average inflated.
Blocky
Banned
Yup - our 4,5,6,7,8 is weak at the moment and has been a major problem for us because usually that's been an area of strength for NZ.
I think with Watling it's just a case of needing more cricket, technically he's looking compact and he's getting a lot of starts, he's just not kicking on as much as he should. What I'd love to see if Watling got himself back in form is that he's given more responsibility and moved up in the order, I just think with the guys we have coming through, if you had Watling at 5, have a Munro at 6, maybe De Grandhomme/Neesham/Anderson at 7, Santner at 8 - you're fixing that batting order and putting strength and hitting back down in the tail.
I'm still more worried about our bowling, because we've got the same issue with Southee and technically Boult that we have with Ross Taylor; they've both been selected on previous form, not what they're currently outputting. We're finding reasons to keep them in the side regardless of their performance, meaning the guy who consistently gets the job done has been left out and is only ever one or two bad tests away from being dropped again.
I think with Watling it's just a case of needing more cricket, technically he's looking compact and he's getting a lot of starts, he's just not kicking on as much as he should. What I'd love to see if Watling got himself back in form is that he's given more responsibility and moved up in the order, I just think with the guys we have coming through, if you had Watling at 5, have a Munro at 6, maybe De Grandhomme/Neesham/Anderson at 7, Santner at 8 - you're fixing that batting order and putting strength and hitting back down in the tail.
I'm still more worried about our bowling, because we've got the same issue with Southee and technically Boult that we have with Ross Taylor; they've both been selected on previous form, not what they're currently outputting. We're finding reasons to keep them in the side regardless of their performance, meaning the guy who consistently gets the job done has been left out and is only ever one or two bad tests away from being dropped again.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Ugh
Trent Boult ruled out of second test v Pakistan for Black Caps | Stuff.co.nz
Edit: This is why I'm not too concerned about Henry sitting round on the sidelines - injuries happen and he'll get plenty of chances.
Trent Boult ruled out of second test v Pakistan for Black Caps | Stuff.co.nz
Edit: This is why I'm not too concerned about Henry sitting round on the sidelines - injuries happen and he'll get plenty of chances.
TheBrand
First Class Debutant
Ffs, why Bracewell?
Zinzan
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Yup, Watling has been terrible against decent opposition since that hundred in England 18 months ago.
NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
They replaced him with HR Cooper. Goodin didn't bat.
Zinzan
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If they're looking at the balance of our attack, they could look for the next best left-arm pacer in the country, rather than the prospect of an extremely samey 4-prong attack.
Blocky
Banned
We already have the best left armer in the country already there in Wagner.