SA for me. Bowlers win test matches and they have the best bowling attack in world cricket.It's one of SA, Pakistan or England.
Nah, I know it doesn't sit well with you, but it's India atm to be fair, with SA the only threat imo.It's one of SA, Pakistan or England.
It's India guysI find it weird how people will still insist on measuring by some other metric than winning matches
SA have the best pace attack & India the best spin attack.SA for me. Bowlers win test matches and they have the best bowling attack in world cricket.
SA win series away from home. That's why they get my vote over India.I've said it before and I'll say it again
It's India guys
That's exactly what I'm saying. There's a reason the standard test bowling makeup is 3 seamers and 1 spinner, rather than 3 spinners and 1 seamer.SA have the best pace attack & India the best spin attack.
So unless you're effectively saying a good pace attack > a good spin attack, then It's almost impossible to split them in my eyes. Especially considering in the SC & the Windes, a top spin attack is more handy, whereas obviously England, SA, NZ & Aust suit a good pace attack.
But you don't hold it against them for consistently losing to Australia & England sides that tour SA?SA win series away from home. That's why they get my vote over India.
SA didn't lose in UAE IIRC. And SL?But you don't hold it against them for consistently losing to Australia & England sides that tour SA?
SA are only better away from home than India in England, NZ & Australia. Meanwhile India are a much tougher home side than SA, & also better away in the SC & the Windies.
Yes but SA also loose too much at home......so that's gotta count against them.SA win series away from home. That's why they get my vote over India.
I knew they were always a loose bunchYes but SA also loose too much at home......so that's gotta count against them.
OK, well this is where we disagree.Let me put it this way BeeGee, I'd currently give India a much much better chance of beating SA in SA than I would in SA beating India at home... the latter I'd give NO chance.
Yeah, SA managed a drawn series back in the UAE in 2013/14, but that was a long time ago now & so did NZ,SA didn't lose in UAE IIRC. And SL?
Depends how you look at it tbh. I would want India to win away a bit more before they get the mantle, but they're just about unbeatable at home ATM so fair enough. Pakistan drew in England this year in pretty alien conditions for them tbf.Nah, I know it doesn't sit well with you, but it's India atm to be fair, with SA the only threat imo.
Pakistan & England are in the next tier down with Australia & New Zealand another tier below.
It does count against them. I'm not saying SA are miles ahead of India, I just think they have the greater ability to beat any other team in any conditions, whereas all of India's strength comes from being a fortress at home.Yes but SA also loose too much at home......so that's gotta count against them.
Yeah, If SA could just dominate at home, it would make all the difference, but they can't seem to.Depends how you look at it tbh. I would want India to win away a bit more before they get the mantle, but they're just about unbeatable at home ATM so fair enough.
yeah but india are pretty woeful in Eng and Aus (and possibly SA). SA are not that woeful at home.Yeah, If SA could just dominate at home, it would make all the difference, but they can't seem to.
By the same point, India is pretty much unbeatable at home currently, whereas SA are most certainly not.yeah but india are pretty woeful in Eng and Aus (and possibly SA). SA are not that woeful at home.
Are you saying a side losing everywhere else but dominant at home > than a side losing at home and winning everywhere else?By the same point, India is pretty much unbeatable at home currently, whereas SA are most certainly not.
SA should defintely get credit for being such a good touring side in places like Aust & NZ, but you've got to be formidable at home to be the top side for mine.
Given India don't lose everywhere else & SA don't win everywhere else, that question is nonsensical.Are you saying a side losing everywhere else but dominant at home > than a side losing at home and winning everywhere else?