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Ashwin's streak and position

Black_Warrior

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***** said:
Ashwin is such a gun he's got two threads dedicated to how awesome he is on the front page of Cricket Chat

Lyon is a no-name hack in comparison
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The slow and gradual Indian take over of all sites related to cricket - starting with Cricinfo, Cricbuzz and now finally CricketWeb.
 
Burgey

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viriya said:
Back on topic, the craziest part about Ashwin's record is that he has a better strike rate than Hadlee, Holding, Akram, McGrath and Lillee.. A spinner having a better SR than great fast bowlers is just not something that ever really happens.
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Whats his India and SC strike rate compared with elsewhere?
 
Burgey

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For me the best part of Ashwin's career so far has been all the waaahs from people who just don't rate spin bowling, particularly finger spin.

Every time he does well they blame the pitch, the batsmen, the presence or lack of DRS, but no one wants to see to acknowledge that a finger spinner could actually be a good bowler. In particular one who doesn't rely on the old fashioned methods of tossing it up with some nice drift and bowling to a tight field and waiting for mistakes. Ashwin is a right handed, no-mystery, straight-armed finger spinner who straight up wrecks batting lineups at home.

It's something cricket hasn't seen in a long, long time. Not since Bhajji burst onto the scene; and even then, Bhajji had a bit of strangeness to his action (he did get reported) and had a legit doosra. Ashwin has such a simple, straightforward action and basically just bowls 1 delivery. There is no mystery. You know what's coming and you can't stop it. It's fantastic.
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I think that's a bit unfair. I don't rate it because it's effete but it's still a very skilful art. Like ballet dancing. It's not my cup of tea tbh but it's very clever.
 
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OverratedSanity said:
Yeah, the big disadvantage Ashwin has overseas, especially Australia, is not just that the pitches don't suit finger spin, but that our pacers get absolutely demolished and he's reduced to a holding role since runs are leaking at an alarming rate at the other end. There's not much you can expect from a spinner when the other blokes are going at 4-5+ runs an over, like on the previous tour down under. Lyon benefits massively in that regard imo, since his pace bowlers are always threatening and that enables him to just do his thing at his end and nip out a few wickets.
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How does that sit with the accepted wisdom here that my late grandmother could have turned up on her Zimmer frame and scored runs in Australia because the decks are so flat?
 
morgieb

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Craig had important roles in Tests in England and the West Indies IIRC.

Just a shame he's so inconsistent.
 
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Flem274* said:
NZ v SL in NZ
NZ v England in England
NZ v WI in WI
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v SL? That was all KW and Watling, Craig took 4 wickets in the 2nd innings when SL **** themselves chasing 390. Hardly matchwinning..

v WI he bowled well but once again it was hardly matchwinning stuff, especially in the second innings where he was doing a Krejza going at 6.5 an over.

I'll give you NZ v England because of the runs and wickets. So you have that and Pakistan, which is equal to Aswin's two (arguably one) in WI.

Flem274* said:
Pakistan might not be #1 anymore but I don;'t think they're the windies either
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Yeah Craig's got the higher quality ones but you only mentioned quantity.
 
Flem274*

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Daemon said:
v SL? That was all KW and Watling, Craig took 4 wickets in the 2nd innings when SL **** themselves chasing 390. Hardly matchwinning.
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what's match winning for second innings wickets then? 5? 6? 7? 8?

Kane and Watling did an ATG rescue from oblivion and setup, but the bowlers still needed to deliver on the final day. that game was meandering to a draw when NZ declared iirc

And yeah I'll take his four efforts over Aswhin mucking about bullying the Windies. Ashwin is the better bowler overall, but it's fun to point out he's less of a winner than Craig away from his stomping grounds.
 
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Motorwada

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Flem274* said:
what's match winning for second innings wickets then? 5? 6? 7? 8?

Kane and Watling did an ATG rescue from oblivion and setup, but the bowlers still needed to deliver on the final day. that game was meandering to a draw when NZ declared iirc

And yeah I'll take his four efforts over Aswhin mucking about bullying the Windies. Ashwin is the better bowler overall, but it's fun to point out he's less of a winner than Craig away from his stomping grounds.
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Ashwin has also rocked it in SL.

And you cant include home matches for Craig. that'd be liek including Ashwin's home matches.
 
cnerd123

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Yea this is weird for Flem. Ashwin gets discredited for performing in India and SL due to them being conditions he has developed a style to succeed in, whilst Craig gets credit for performing in NZ and Eng, conditions he has developed his style to succeed in.

Nah, doesn't count IMO.
 
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