*Official* Australia in Sri Lanka 2016

[mr_mister]

both more in the batting AR class and have bucketloads of wickets compared to the names I mentioned


Throw some more names at me in the vein of Ricky Ponting

 

[honestbharani]

Spin is harder to master simply because it requires greater mental strength and energy. Fast bowling takes more toll physically.. Nothing s easier than the other.

 

[mr_mister]

I agree with you on the more physicality part


I feel they both take equal mental strength, obviously different reasons though. I know you have to be brave to keep tossing up the ball if you're getting hit for sixes, but pace isn't all physical. the old 'all quickies are dumb meatheads' stereotype is silly

 

[honestbharani]

Where did I say that? And spin bowling requires a lot of physical effort too. I just meant that spinners face the bigger challenge mentally while fast bowlers face the bigger challenge physically.

 

[91Jmay]

Collingwood best in Tests are 3fer 30 odd and he took his wickets at 60. Not convinced he is a great counterpoint

 

[Howe_zat]

Collingwood best in Tests are 3fer 30 odd and he took his wickets at 60. Not convinced he is a great counterpoint

I only brought up Mathews because he came on and took 2 wickets with mediums in a match where mr_mister felt that spin was unfairly dominating.

There are no counter examples because the part time spinner who has a good day is naturally a feature of spin as oppose to pace. If you are capable of bowling pace then you need to keep practicing it to stay in that physical condition and so it becomes a more prominent part of your game. What this has to do with the inherent qualities of pace over spin I have no idea.

 

[Daemon]

Of course it's easier to bowl spin to a competent level as opposed to pace.

It doesn't help mr mister's earlier argument at all though imo

 

[91Jmay]

Unless I'm misreading his original point wasn't it exactly that?

 

[Howe_zat]

Steven Smith: We didn't excite well enough with the ball or in the field today.

Pardon?

I don't think that's the right word Steven. I for one find Australia getting smashed quite exciting.

 

[Furball]

both more in the batting AR class and have bucketloads of wickets compared to the names I mentioned


Throw some more names at me in the vein of Ricky Ponting

A part time seamer like Ponting is almost never going to get conditions in his favour and if he did, would have at least 3 and possibly 4 frontline options ahead of him in the queue.

Whereas if a decent part time spinner gets good bowling conditions he'll probably only have 1 or 2 players competing with him and if you offer something different (Clarke being a SLA offers something different if you've picked Warne and Lyon).

Pretty sure Clarke's 6for came when Australia's team balance was 3 seamers to Hauritz, so as soon as they worked out it was a bunsen Clarke was going to get loads of overs. It would be borderline incompetence for a similar situation to arise for Ponting.

 

[viriya]

I can see how Zampa averages 50 in FC cricket, but loopy, gently turning leg breaks are surprisingly effective in this form.

That's why he's the best franchise T20 bowler on current form. Just came out of nowhere.

 

[Furball]

A part time seamer like Ponting is almost never going to get conditions in his favour and if he did, would have at least 3 and possibly 4 frontline options ahead of him in the queue.

Whereas if a decent part time spinner gets good bowling conditions he'll probably only have 1 or 2 players competing with him and if you offer something different (Clarke being a SLA offers something different if you've picked Warne and Lyon).

Pretty sure Clarke's 6for came when Australia's team balance was 3 seamers to Hauritz, so as soon as they worked out it was a bunsen Clarke was going to get loads of overs. It would be borderline incompetence for a similar situation to arise for Ponting.

Having said that, didn't Jonathan Trott take a First Class 7for a few years ago?

 

[viriya]

isnt Bailey meant to be an ODI ATG

Hasn't really played enough to be considered at that level imo.

 

[viriya]

pffft we've produced 3 of the best 10 spinners OAT

That doesn't have much to do with the 2015 WC win tho.

 

[viriya]

Steven Smith heads home to rest ahead of 2016-17 summer | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

wut...

 

[theegyptian]

Steven Smith heads home to rest ahead of 2016-17 summer | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

wut...

Least Swann waited until the ashes series was mathematically over before he quit....

Still on a serious note hope he's okay and Australian board being oversensitive about a star player - rather than anything more serious. Certainly seems a strange decision mid series with it poised at 1-1.

 

[StephenZA]

Steven Smith heads home to rest ahead of 2016-17 summer | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

wut...

It would have made more sense for him not to come to SA for an arbitrary LO series...

 

[Migara]

Lol no think how much more often that happens with part-time spinners though. Clarke, Border, North, Katich, Bevan all have test 6 fers. How many does Brett Lee or Andrew Flintoff have?

That is because there are rougly 2-3 times more seamers in a team and wickets get distributed among them in helpful conditions.

 

[Gnske]

It would have made more sense for him not to come to SA for an arbitrary LO series...

He clearly needs to start preparing for the 2019 WC

 

[TheJediBrah]

Pretty sure Clarke's 6for came when Australia's team balance was 3 seamers to Hauritz, so as soon as they worked out it was a bunsen Clarke was going to get loads of overs

Agree with everything but just saying Clarke only bowled 6 overs when he took his 6 for