*Official* Australia in Sri Lanka 2016

[Gnske]

Only just seen the Smith dismissal, swear sometimes he's missing a chromosome.

 

[Gob]

What that Dan is my multi??

I'll make you a bet. We'll get the mods to check the IP's and if they confirm he is in fact my multi I will leave this site forever.........when they confirm that he isn't, you will??

 

[TheJediBrah]

I would like to claim my house + winnings please

what was I wrong about?

What that Dan is my multi??

I'll make you a bet. We'll get the mods to check the IP's and if they confirm he is in fact my multi I will leave this site forever.........when they confirm that he isn't, you will??

champ, you really couldn't have made it any more obvious

and even you aren't confused enough to be using the same IP address

tbh I find it very sad that you think either of us should "leave", or that I've affected you in such a meaningful way

sorry friend

 

[Adders]

Well the mods are pretty spot on in picking out the multis, and trust me I am not PC savi enough to dodge it.

So I take it you're not willing to take the bet?? Can't say that I'm surprised.

 

[Top_Cat]

Are you saying that Australian Test surfaces are notably different from their first class matches?

Some aren't, mainly due to climate. For example, it's difficult to prepare a genuine greentop in Adelaide unless there's torrential rain for weeks. And it varies year-to-year. But generally you'll see differences (flatter) between the FC and Test strips in Brisbane, Launceston and Perth.

It's why in the 90's and 00's, those of us watching domestic cricket were always so surprised at Hayden's struggles against the moving ball in Tests. Whilst the Aussies were busily turning the ground into the Gabbatoir, domestically, Hayden was smashing tons regularly on decks that really ragged.

 

[Spikey]

what did i miss

 

[Daemon]

what was I wrong about?

Plenty of times, cbf digging through the archives, don't care if you agree, lol u kid etc

 

[TheJediBrah]

Well the mods are pretty spot on in picking out the multis, and trust me I am not PC savi enough to dodge it.

So I take it you're not willing to take the bet?? Can't say that I'm surprised.

Mate, honestly, your obsession with me needs to end. It can't be good for you.

Plenty of times, cbf digging through the archives, don't care if you agree, lol u kid etc

fair. I haven't got a great memory with this sort of thing either

As far as I'm concerned it's a simple fact that over the last 2-3 years, a lot of home sides have been preparing deliberately advantageous Test wickets, and some haven't. Australia haven't. I've said it a dozen times that I wish they did more. It's frustrating watching slow **** wickets costing us wins. Even if it risks us losing (like the Day/Night Adelaide Test) by evening the odds I wouldn't mind. These flat pitches are boring af.

 

[Daemon]

Mate, honestly, your obsession with me needs to end. It can't be good for you.



fair. I haven't got a great memory with this sort of thing either

As far as I'm concerned it's a simple fact that over the last 2-3 years, a lot of home sides have been preparing deliberately advantageous Test wickets, and some haven't. Australia haven't. I've said it a dozen times that I wish they did more. It's frustrating watching slow **** wickets costing us wins. Even if it risks us losing (like the Day/Night Adelaide Test) by evening the odds I wouldn't mind. These flat pitches are boring af.

When was the last time Australia came close to dropping a game on a flat deck at home? Besides two generous declarations which still required a near miracle from Kohli I can't really think of many.

You yourself admitted that they stand a chance of losing on wickets with something in them, which contradicts the stance you took earlier that Australia aren't playing on tracks that are advantageous to them.

 

[TheJediBrah]

When was the last time Australia came close to dropping a game on a flat deck at home? Besides two generous declarations which still required a near miracle from Kohli I can't really think of many.

You yourself admitted that they stand a chance of losing on wickets with something in them, which contradicts the stance you took earlier that Australia aren't playing on tracks that are advantageous to them.

No I can complain about 2 things at once. One being Australia not taking advantage of home pitch preparation as much as other nations, and the other being boring flat pitches that make for boring Test matches. They don't have to be directly related.

As to your first question, off the top of my head, a couple of Tests v SA in 2012 that we were winning easily and ended up drawn (one was slightly rain-affected tbf). India's last tour as well had a couple of draws where Australia were in very strong positions.

edit: sorry I misread your question, I thought you were asking when flat decks cost Australia wins at home. To actually answer your question I can't think of any, but I don't see how that's really relevant, except as evidence that Australia have been playing well on home flat decks. It's hardly relevant to whether or not they deliberately prepare any particular pitches.

If your contention is that Australia deliberately prepare flat pitches because they are afraid of losing, it would at least be a logical thing to consider as a possibility, though absolute rubbish.

 

[mr_mister]

So funny listening to Slats rage against Voges' record on the radio last summer.

Any quotes you remember? I am intruiged

 

[Magrat Garlick]

what did i miss

episode 31293120 in 'it's all about me'

 

[Daemon]

No I can complain about 2 things at once. One being Australia not taking advantage of home pitch preparation as much as other nations, and the other being boring flat pitches that make for boring Test matches. They don't have to be directly related.

As to your first question, off the top of my head, a couple of Tests v SA in 2012 that we were winning easily and ended up drawn (one was slightly rain-affected tbf). India's last tour as well had a couple of draws where Australia were in very strong positions.

edit: sorry I misread your question, I thought you were asking when flat decks cost Australia wins at home. To actually answer your question I can't think of any, but I don't see how that's really relevant, except as evidence that Australia have been playing well on home flat decks. It's hardly relevant to whether or not they deliberately prepare any particular pitches.

If your contention is that Australia deliberately prepare flat pitches because they are afraid of losing, it would at least be a logical thing to consider as a possibility, though absolute rubbish.

I'm challenging your point about how these flat decks are not advantageous for Australia. They have the highest chances of winning series on these surfaces imo. Their bowlers and batsmen are the most well equipped in the world for them.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'm challenging your point about how these flat decks are not advantageous for Australia. They have the highest chances of winning series on these surfaces imo. Their bowlers and batsmen are the most well equipped in the world for them.

Ah I see. I don't really disagree with that. As I said earlier, it's a debatable point. There have been times when recent decks certainly haven't, eg. 2014 India tour (slow pieces of ****), but as to whether "flat decks are not advantageous for Australia" I can't give a definitive answer. But it again brings up the "cause and effect" of that circumstance. ie. Flat pitches aren't prepared to suit the home players, the home players are just best able to handle them.

Unlike whether or not advantageous wickets are deliberately prepared, which is largely what I was discussing, and does have a definitive answer.

episode 31293120 in 'it's all about me'

mate I have absolutely no interest spending as much time posting here as I have. This is simply a result of 31293120 people jumping down my throat up in arms because I said something controversial (despite being undeniable fact).

If you think I want this you're out of it

 

[Burgey]

I'm challenging your point about how these flat decks are not advantageous for Australia. They have the highest chances of winning series on these surfaces imo. Their bowlers and batsmen are the most well equipped in the world for them.

Normally wouldn't get involved, but isn't the point about preparing pitches in certain ways rather than whether pitches help?

Fwiw (**** all) I get annoyed when sides prepare decks which are completely out of character with how the ground normally plays. The Melbourne example was such a time, and the Oval in 2009 (iirc) another. To turn out that deck when the pitch usually plays so differently kinda stinks IMO but it's legal so at the end of the day, so what?

If a deck is usually flat/ turns/ seams then that's how it plays. Sure on one occasion it might play slightly differently to another, but when it changes character completely for one game, yeah don't like it tbh.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I think where people are getting confused about this whole thing, is that they think it's coming from a place of national pride, or irrelevant supremacism or some such rubbish, and it's making them angry or insecure because they think it's a passive aggressive shot at their own nations' cricket. It's not. I really don't care. I'm just discussing issues and facts.

I've tried my best to avoid such misconceptions. I've never said "so and so are cheating", "it's not fair" or "we are better than everyone else". But I guess people are insecure or something. I dunno. Frustrating really that such irrelevant bull**** gets in the way of a straight forward discussion.

 

[weldone]

uh tjb just stop

 

[TheJediBrah]

uh tjb just stop

I was ****ing done before you made this post

seriously just leave me alone and we'll all be happy

 

[Furball]

Australian pitches definitely suit Australian batsmen and bowlers because with the exception of some pitches in South Africa you don't get pitches with the same pace or bounce anywhere else in the world.

It's why Australia's batsmen have been rubbish in Asia recently, they've struggled to adapt to slower wickets with less bounce and it's why batsmen from elsewhere strugglein Australia.

 

[Gob]

Australian pitches definitely suit Australian batsmen and bowlers because with the exception of some pitches in South Africa you don't get pitches with the same pace or bounce anywhere else in the world.

It's why Australia's batsmen have been rubbish in Asia recently, they've struggled to adapt to slower wickets with less bounce and it's why batsmen from elsewhere strugglein Australia.

Yeah was going to say this. Blokes who are tall and/or bowls 140+ gets something out of them while blokes who bowl in mid 130's don't and Aust have many who are tall and fast. It also helps that the batsmen pile up 500+ regularly.

Personally i don't think that Aust batsmen are that worse than anyone at playing on dust bowls or in seaming conditions cos everybody struggles on such wickets (not because the modern batsmen are **** at playing on such wickets or anything but its pretty ****ing hard to score on dust bowls or seaming wickets and i'm pretty sure many teams would have folded against Herath on this track for a similar score but since Aust bats are probably much better at filling their boots on roads, they get noted out when they fail on these sort of wickets more by usual armchair experts.