***Official*** New Zealand Domestic Season 2015/16

[Flem274*]

He's not. Clocked in at 133-135 on the slow gun in the Ford Trophy final.

ed nuttall wac. must be the action and bounce. looks so skiddy fast. usually only milne and ferguson look that sharp on vault footage.

 

[straw man]

I'm calling Nuttall to be Boult to Henry's Southee. Less hype as a youth cricketer, less early domestic ridiculousness and a later debut but will arguably be better in international cricket when he gets there, not to mention the obvious bowling style likenesses.

I'm calling dissenting view: will be good but not as good as Henry.

 

[Prince EWS]

Forever positioning myself as a Henry sceptic.

 

[Bahnz]

Forever positioning myself as a Henry sceptic.

Henry

Kiwi CW

Pews

 

[hendrix]

Henry is good but he is not and will likely never be as good as Southee.

 

[Bahnz]

Hmmm, I'm no longer convinced of that. Yes he doesn't have Southee's height and doesn't generate the same amount of swing. But he's quicker than Southee on average, and (at the moment at least) seems capable of maintaining an exhausting line that forces the batsmen to play more often. Southee still the more rounded cricketer at this point but that's hardly surprising given that he's had 6 more years of international experience than Henry does.

 

[Flem274*]

southee's old ball use gives him the edge at domestic level and his real game experience a greater edge at test level.

i can see a situation where injury forces southee out a bit earlier than intended and the clone will come in and do well, leaving everyone wondering why New Zealand didn't just pick both.

Henry definitely relies on his simple plan of good areas atm a bit too heavily, but that's forgivable for a 24 year old veteran of 3 tests. if their ages were reversed it would have been henry who was the 19 year old debutant.

im content to let southee/boult/henry/wagner/bracewell/milne/nuttall/wheeler plus smith, gibson and sears in five years time just scrap it out tbh. we'll need that talent depth because a few of those guys will get injured or spud it up. this is new zealand.

 

[hendrix]

Hmmm, I'm no longer convinced of that. Yes he doesn't have Southee's height and doesn't generate the same amount of swing. But he's quicker than Southee on average, and (at the moment at least) seems capable of maintaining an exhausting line that forces the batsmen to play more often. Southee still the more rounded cricketer at this point but that's hardly surprising given that he's had 6 more years of international experience than Henry does.

I'm surprised to hear you say this because you frequently point out that 2 year period where Southee was performing in the same realm as Steyn and Harris. Sure that was a peak period for him and he's not be quite that good but you don't perform that well for that long without some serious attributes.

I don't see Henry's accuracy as being on the same planet as Southee, even when Timmeh isn't bowling so well. I also think Henry is far less likely to do damage on flat pitches, given how much he relies on seam movement to naturally vary his semi-stock away movement.

 

[Bahnz]

I think Henry's shown immense progress this season, particularly with his ability to take wickets in the middle stages of the innings in ODI's. Given how young he is, its reasonable to believe that he'll continue to improve over the next couple seasons. Will he ever get to the level that Southee hit in 2012-2014? I dunno, but I certaintly don't think that it will never happen.

 

[straw man]

Henry

still so ***y

 

[hendrix]

Bell's life purpose is to look perplexed.

 

[Immenso]

Randell back and playing for Auckland A. But the Aussie guy has probably taken his chance too well.

Also William O'Donnell with a good match double. Judging by the U19 tournament stats he was one of the more unlucky guys to miss out on the World Cup squad.

80/2 | AUCKLAND A vs CANTERBURY A

 

[Prince EWS]

still so ***y

 

[straw man]

if you close your eyes you will miss how ***y it was

 

[straw man]

On Henry, one thing I would like is an improvement in his outswinger. When I first saw him in domestix it was outswinger, outswinger, drawing the batsman to the offside before the straight one, with the kick he gets off the pitch to hit offstump (as with the Bell dismissal).

Currently he's getting very little outswing and that's frustrating because just a little shape would make his balls attacking the stumps that much more difficult to face. I seem to recall he tried to consciously bowl a few real outswingers in England and they came out floaty; this is probably something to do with wrist-position/strength, I shall not claim to know specifics, but no doubt it's improvable.

Also don't see why he should suffer for accuracy - although his bowling action is explosive, it's still simple and repeatable.

 

[Flem274*]

a little improvement will take henry a long way since he doesn't really have a specific strength to his bowling like a lot of his nz rivals. he's strong everywhere without being outstanding at one thing.

 

[Prince EWS]

a little improvement will take henry a long way since he doesn't really have a specific strength to his bowling like a lot of his nz rivals. he's strong everywhere without being outstanding at one thing.

 

[Flem274*]

henry actually takes international wickets tbf

 

[Howsie]

Ha. Matt Henry is 10 times the bowler Chris Woakes is.

 

[kiwiviktor81]

Matt Henry might already be better than Southee. If I was Tim Southee I'd be getting ready for the likelihood of becoming the third seamer.