Would Stuart Broad make India's strongest test XI?

[hendrix]

Significantly is a ridiculous term. Broad and Shoaib are very close players, both comfortably better than Asif.

Broad on a good day might be comparable to Asif. Otherwise it's not close, Asif is comfortably better than either of Shoaib or Broad.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Neither of them is comfortably better than Shoaib.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Would he make the all-time Nottinghamshire XI? Hadlee and Larwood would take the new ball, Sobers would be one all rounder along with Cairns or Rice. Broad or Bill Voce as third seamer?

 

[cnerd123]

Would he make the all-time Nottinghamshire XI? Hadlee and Larwood would take the new ball, Sobers would be one all rounder along with Cairns or Rice. Broad or Bill Voce as third seamer?

This just made me realise there are tons of domestic sides whose ATG XIs have better pace attacks than India's. FFS.

 

[GIMH]

Broad on a good day might be comparable to Asif. Otherwise it's not close, Asif is comfortably better than either of Shoaib or Broad.

On a bad day, Broad takes no wickets. Asif's bad days tend to be spent in prison. Broad's excellent spells are as good as pretty much any seamer you'll ever see, he's more reliable than Asif was.

I have just looked up Asif's stats though and they are better than I remembered.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Stuart Broad, a player mediocre at best with the ball in test match cricket but for some strange reason a nailed on starter for England despite their strength in depth in this department.

India, despite their number one ranking a team lacking test quality fast bowlers. Zaheer being the one exception.

Does Broad make their strongest eleven?

What's unclear to me from this original post is,
who was he trying to diss here? Broad or Indian bowling attack?

 

[Spark]

What's unclear to me from this original post is,
who was he trying to diss here? Broad or Indian bowling attack?

Broad. This was before the India 2011 series, when Broad was persona non grata for many.

 

[91Jmay]

Asif best spells were comparable to Broad's best spells, but Broad has produced far, far more. He is the better bowler.

 

[Daemon]

On a bad day, Broad takes no wickets. Asif's bad days tend to be spent in prison.

best

 

[harsh.ag]

Asif best spells were comparable to Broad's best spells, but Broad has produced far, far more. He is the better bowler.

He's produced more because he's played more

 

[Stapel]

Stuart Broad, the bowler that played for England between 2007 en 2011, would not. But Sturat Broad, the 2012 - 2016 England bowler would.

 

[91Jmay]

He's produced more because he's played more

And whose fault is that?

You are extrapolating from a small sample size with Asif, where has Broad has year after year of consistency. He also didn't need steroids.

 

[Daemon]

Yeah Broad clearly had the better career.

I think it's fair to say Broad's best spells are equivalent and arguably even slightly above Asif's, but the latter was more consistent and threatening on the average day of Test cricket.

 

[harsh.ag]

And whose fault is that?

You are extrapolating from a small sample size with Asif, where has Broad has year after year of consistency. He also didn't need steroids.

Yeah but that's immaterial. Broad having more great performances comes from him having played more. It has nothing to do with consistency.

 

[Starfighter]

But Sturat Broad, the 2012 - 2016 England bowler would.

And therein lies the crux of the discussion.
Are we talking about Stuart Broad, who no likes, or Sturat Broad, the world beating bowler who never gets the respect he deserves...

(And thanks to GIMH for a sig-worthy quote)

 

[fredfertang]

Broad is a slacker whose great days make it clear he under achieves too often, so he has all the qualities needed to play for India

 

[91Jmay]

Yeah but that's immaterial. Broad having more great performances comes from him having played more. It has nothing to do with consistency.

It is easier to produce a few great performances over a short period than to do more over a longer period. Asif is helped by a smallish sample size, and rarely having to bowl in unfavorable conditions.

 

[Gob]

It is easier to produce a few great performances over a short period than to do more over a longer period. Asif is helped by a smallish sample size, and rarely having to bowl in unfavorable conditions.

He played most of his cricket in Pakistan right?

 

[Spark]

It is easier to produce a few great performances over a short period than to do more over a longer period. Asif is helped by a smallish sample size, and rarely having to bowl in unfavorable conditions.

Hmm, is that really true? Genuinely don't know.

 

[Stapel]

Hmm, is that really true? Genuinely don't know.

Doesn't it boil down to being good for a year is easier than being good for several years?

Anyway, Asif simply hasn't played enough tests to be considered for....., errrh, to be in the Indian team?