Gob
International Coach
Nice statement to make in pakpassionBroad >>>>> Shoaib.
Nice statement to make in pakpassionBroad >>>>> Shoaib.
Good workYeah I'm sure he'll be back in a blaze of glory in no time.
Thank **** for PEWS.......that really needed to be cleared up as the proceeding pages were doing my head in!!Basically I think people are arguing at cross purposes a bit.
When you're asked to think of a bowler 'at their best' you can either think of the best spells they ever bowled, or you can think of the highest sort of quality they were rated at and expected to bowl. Broad's best spells are better than Asif's best spells, but Asif consistently bowled excellent spells over a period, while Broad is still (relatively to Asif anyway) inconsistent, so I think Asif achieved a higher peak as such.
There was a time where if you picked Asif you'd get a better average from him than you'd get from Broad now. And that's high praise, but Asif was bloody good for a time.
McGrath did it 5 times IIRC. The English commentators mentioned it.I doubt G McGrath managed that more than maybe once or twice.......which of course does not make Broad the better bowler, nor does it make his peak as good as McGrath.
Ryan Harris, yo.It's a bit like several post-2000 NZ pacers have added more value as cricketers to NZ but Bond is the best and Lee having a better career than Harris but Harris clearly being the better bowler.
McGrath and Steyn aside, I can't think of a pacer of the quality of Asif in the last 15 years or so but several have had greater careers.
It is why I liken Broad to Ambrose, only other bowler who is deadly on a roll like that that I have seen. Before people start Waqar was different as he didn't do it with new ball and was deadly later in the innings when the ball reversed.Thank **** for PEWS.......that really needed to be cleared up as the proceeding pages were doing my head in!!
If you are talking about "best Spells" surely Broad wins this, not only against Asif but against most ATG bowlers. 7x 5fers in a single spell..........don't have any stats to hand but can anyone match that??
I doubt G McGrath managed that more than maybe once or twice.......which of course does not make Broad the better bowler, nor does it make his peak as good as McGrath. But it does make his best spells more devastating.
Best Spells and Peak are not the same thing.
Broad >>>>> Shoaib.
More wickets at a better average in the last 5 years than in Shoaib's entire career.
Or just limping off with a faked injury because the pitch was flat.On Shoaib's bad days he was getting bans for smacking his fellow bowlers with cricket bats and getting gential warts treated.
Exactly. The question is "who would you pick in a side", not "who has had the better career".It's a bit like several post-2000 NZ pacers have added more value as cricketers to NZ but Bond is the best and Lee having a better career than Harris but Harris clearly being the better bowler.
McGrath and Steyn aside, I can't think of a pacer of the quality of Asif in the last 15 years or so but several have had greater careers.
So the difference between Harris and Siddle is the same as Broad and Asif? How ****ing ridiculous.Exactly. The question is "who would you pick in a side", not "who has had the better career".
I would always pick Bond over Tim Southee, even though the latter has already arguably had a better career.
I'd always pick Ryan Harris over Peter Siddle.
I'd always pick Asif over Broad.
Yes, Broad's peaks have been comparable to Asif. Broad's peaks are comparable to any bowler in history. Could say the same about Mitchell Johnson if you wanted. But Asif is a much better bowler.
no? did I say that?So the difference between Harris and Siddle is the same as Broad and Asif? How ****ing ridiculous.
The guy who played the most games took the most wickets. I'm shocked.I'm sure this has been pointed out before but Broady is the most prolific wicket taker since this thread was started! Funny how these things turn out over time...
true. It was his seam bowling just outside off that reminded me so much of McGrath. Of course Asif couldn't extract anywhere near as much bounce as McGrath but his line and length was philander like with better wrists for getting the ball to jag around a bit.yeah it's not that I don't rate Broad it's just that I think Asif was like a better version of Philander that could actually take wickets on flat decks too.
Yepp just like saying Broad > Harris or Sehwag > Warner on CWNice statement to make in pakpassion