***Official*** India in Australia ODIs 2016

[indiaholic]

He was **** today. Has not been **** every time he has bowled in Asutralia.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Haha nah there's a big difference between being crap, and just being steady because there's no assistance. Most good fast bowlers don't run through lineups in ODIs when there's no assistance for them either.

not sure if srs

I never said he was crap. I swear you're just reading what you want to read.

"being steady because there's no assistance" is exactly what I'm saying

edit: maybe I did say he was **** a couple of posts ago actually, can't remember lol

double edit: no I didn't, false alarm

 

[Prince EWS]

lol wut I'm trying to defend him. He's never going to be taking 6-40 in Australia and there's nothing wrong with that.

No-one expects him to take 6/40 though ffs. If he'd taken 1/48 off 10 here with the wicket coming in his first spell I think India would've won, or at least had a serious chance of winning. Today wasn't an example of "herr derr Ashwin sucks in Australia"; it was an example of Ashwin rocking up and bowling much worse than he usually does. No-one (other than perhaps ***** ) actually thinks he can run through Australia on a pitch like this, but if he bowled as well as he usually does then he would've done a good job in a defence of 300+.

 

[TheJediBrah]

He was **** today. Has not been **** every time he has bowled in Asutralia.

let's take this slow

- I never said he's "been **** every time he has bowled in Asutralia"
- I said he is getting a lot less assistance and is not used to it hence his results not the same as in other conditions

that's pretty much it, been some bizarre inferences made other than that tbh

 

[TheJediBrah]

No-one expects him to take 6/40 though ffs. If he'd taken 1/48 off 10 here with the wicket coming in his first spell I think India would've won, or at least had a serious chance of winning. Today wasn't an example of "herr derr Ashwin sucks in Australia"; it was an example of Ashwin rocking up and bowling much worse than he usually does. No-one (other than perhaps ***** ) actually thinks he can run through Australia on a pitch like this, but if he bowled as well as he usually does then he would've done a good job in a defence of 300+.

gonna have to refer you back to my last post. Not sure what your point is, certainly not relevant.

It's almost as if you think I'm saying that the way he bowled today is the best he will ever be capable of bowling in Australian conditions, which is a very bizarre inference

 

[Prince EWS]

not sure if srs

I never said he was crap. I swear you're just reading what you want to read.

"being steady because there's no assistance" is exactly what I'm saying

edit: maybe I did say he was **** a couple of posts ago actually, can't remember lol

double edit: no I didn't, false alarm

I think your posting is just all over the place. Why compare to Lyon? Why random bring Tests into it? Why try to make a point that no-one would actually disagree with anyway?

Ashwin plays a lot of ODIs on flat wickets that offer him nothing, and he bowls well on them anyway. He can build pressure, force batsmen into mistakes etc. He's not a 'threat' as such but with batsmen trying to score against him he's effective at both nullifying them and dismissing them if they keep going at him. That's what ODI bowling is about 90% of the time for all bowlers, and he's good at it, even on flat decks.

He hasn't found a way to be threatening in Tests on pitches with nothing in them for him so far, but that's true of most bowlers anyway, and also entirely irrelevant to this goddamn ODI series.

 

[Prince EWS]

gonna have to refer you back to my last post. Not sure what your point is, certainly not relevant.

It's almost as if you think I'm saying that the way he bowled today is the best he will ever be capable of bowling in Australian conditions, which is a very bizarre inference

That's why we're down to agenda-driven opportunism. "Oh Ashwin bowled **** today, perfect time to lay the boot in about how I think he's actually not very good and that Lyon is a boss."

 

[indiaholic]

The results that are expected of a par performance from Ashwin in a test match in Nagpur and an ODI in Australia are entirely different. Is that the point you are making?

 

[TheJediBrah]

I think your posting is just all over the place. Why compare to Lyon? Why random bring Tests into it? Why try to make a point that no-one would actually disagree with anyway?

Ashwin plays a lot of ODIs on flat wickets that offer him nothing, and he bowls well on them anyway. He can build pressure, force batsmen into mistakes etc. He's not a 'threat' as such but with batsmen trying to score against him he's effective at both nullifying them and dismissing them if they keep going at him. That's what ODI bowling is about 90% of the time for all bowlers, and he's good at it, even on flat decks.

He hasn't found a way to be threatening in Tests on pitches with nothing in them for him so far, but that's true of most bowlers anyway, and also entirely irrelevant to this goddamn ODI series.

huh. Why does everything someone says have to be something that people disagree with? This is what's so confusing, I make a simple, unambiguous statement that should be pretty obvious and non-controversial and people read into posts and make strange assumptions that you are somehow trying to put down their favourite player or something.

Honestly people just need to read what their replying to more closely. Not everything has to be an argument.

 

[Prince EWS]

let's take this slow

- I never said he's "been **** every time he has bowled in Asutralia"
- I said he is getting a lot less assistance and is not used to it hence his results not the same as in other conditions

that's pretty much it, been some bizarre inferences made other than that tbh

If this was your point then the timing of your post made it extremely confusing.

When someone bowls **** and then you immediately. straight after the game, make a point about why you don't think they're as effective in the sort of conditions they just bowled in, then people are going to infer that those two things are related.

 

[TheJediBrah]

That's why we're down to agenda-driven opportunism. "Oh Ashwin bowled **** today, perfect time to lay the boot in about how I think he's actually not very good and that Lyon is a boss."

lol I said myself I don't think Lyon is anywhere near as good as Ashwin

This has to stop, read what you're responding to and stop assuming that someone is trying to subtly imply something their not

I'm not that nuanced, if I want to say someone is **** I'll just say it

 

[TheJediBrah]

If this was your point then the timing of your post made it extremely confusing.

When someone bowls **** and then you immediately. straight after the game, make a point about why you don't think they're as effective in the sort of conditions they just bowled in, then people are going to infer that those two things are related.

I wouldn't have thought so at all tbh

 

[Howe_zat]

Just arguing for the sake of arguing. Yawn

 

[Pratters]

Watched just 4-5 overs in the morning and a few in the evening. All these new bowlers Australia has means it isn't a first XI which is playing. Understandable given the amount of cricket which takes place. India is lucky in this regard as facing the First XI World Champions would be tougher.

 

[Dan]

No idea what people were saying about Boland in the thread, but for a guy who was picked as a Test reserve under the godawful (and horrendously named) 'velocity policy', he was pretty bloody standard in the pace he was bowling today.

 

[Pratters]

Disappointing to hear Ashwin was poor. I expect him to have a better record outside Asia as he has improved a fair bit over the past year ftr.

 

[cnerd123]

Ashwin to wreck the Aussies next game and silence all the #haters

 

[Black_Warrior]

Ashwin and Jadeja were both dire today but I don't wanna look too much into this as I usually cut bowlers some slack on the first day at work on an overseas tour, on unhelpful conditions.

Having said that, on pitches that offer no turn like the one at Perth today or a few ones in the SC, spinners are going to get pasted all over the park, no matter who you are.

 

[cnerd123]

then what's their excuse?

they're just ****?

This is the no, 1 and no. 6 bowlers in the world

He's "been ****" every time he's come to Australia. Can't just be that he's happened to "have a shocker" every game.

Whether it's the lack of help from conditions that leads him to bowl **** for whatever reason or just that he looks worse because he's not getting the same assistance I don't know. But it sure as hell isn't just "oh he had a bad game and bowled badly this time".

it's not just variance in performance when every time I've seen him bowl in Australia he's been unthreatening. And I never said he was ****. Others did.

Lmao

 

[Black_Warrior]

You went through the archives to find these posts? Lol ***** you kid