***Official*** India in Australia ODIs 2016

[Prince EWS]

very disappointed in Ashwin's figures. hope it was more good batting rather than poor bowling?

It was the worst I've ever seen him bowl in any match.

 

[Jono]

yep good summary. there was no ashwinning today

 

[TheJediBrah]

Lol what? Indian spinners bowl on more ODI roads than Lyon does. And not just because he doesn't play ODIs.

Lyon would have been **** on today on that track

then what's their excuse?

they're just ****?

This is the no, 1 and no. 6 bowlers in the world

 

[Howe_zat]

Ashwin 0 Haters 1

 

[indiaholic]

then what's their excuse?

they're just ****?

This is the no, 1 and no. 6 bowlers in the world

Why do they need an excuse? They bowled badly today.

 

[Jono]

then what's their excuse?

they're just ****?

This is the no, 1 and no. 6 bowlers in the world

He bowled **** today.

 

[Prince EWS]

then what's their excuse?

they're just ****?

This is the no, 1 and no. 6 bowlers in the world

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Ashwin had a shocker today but it simply wasn't a representation of how he usually bowls. Variance is a thing; he's not a robot.

 

[TheJediBrah]

He's "been ****" every time he's come to Australia. Can't just be that he's happened to "have a shocker" every game.

Whether it's the lack of help from conditions that leads him to bowl **** for whatever reason or just that he looks worse because he's not getting the same assistance I don't know. But it sure as hell isn't just "oh he had a bad game and bowled badly this time".

 

[cnerd123]

Ashwin was labouring through his runup and action from what I saw today.

Just a bad day at the office. It happens.

Jadeja is always liable to getting taken apart on flat pitches too. The quality of his bowling isn't usually what keeps batsmen quiet, its his guile and use of the field. When there is no pressure on the batsmen and they are willing to milk him with the odd big hit, he will go for runs. It has happened so many times in the past. It's hardly surprising. And yea, Lyon is definitely a much better bowler than Jadeja if you take an average of how well they will perform over a wide range of conditions and scenarios. Jadeja is a very niche bowler and a beast in the right situations, but all in all he's not as good as Lyon and I dont think anyone has argued that.

 

[vcs]

He hasn't been **** every time. Bowled great against Pakistan and SA in the World Cup, also was more than decent against Australia considering everyone else's figures.

 

[cnerd123]

He's "been ****" every time he's come to Australia. Can't just be that he's happened to "have a shocker" every game.

Whether it's the lack of help from conditions that leads him to bowl **** for whatever reason or just that he looks worse because he's not getting the same assistance I don't know. But it sure as hell isn't just "oh he had a bad game and bowled badly this time".

Spot the guy who can't deal with complicated explanations for patterns.

Ashwin was fantastic in the World Cup and fantastic in the last Test series in Australia too, so you aren't even correct about him being **** every time he comes to Aus.

Poor showing TJB.

 

[Prince EWS]

Ashwin's been perfectly fine in ODIs in Australia tbh. He's not been a massive threat because he's not got any assistance, but he's bowled pretty well, especially in the World Cup last year. I'd also argue he's a much better bowler now than he was in 2012 or whenever his first tour of Australia actually was. He bowled a bunch of pies today but it'd be silly to extrapolate too much from that.

Tests are obviously different.

 

[indiaholic]

Ashwin's been perfectly fine in ODIs in Australia tbh. He's not been a massive threat because he's not got any assistance, but he's bowled pretty well, especially in the World Cup last year. I'd also argue he's a much better bowler now than he was in 2012 or whenever his first tour of Australia actually was. He bowled a bunch of pies today but it'd be silly to extrapolate too much from that.

Tests are obviously different.

Even in that 2011-12 series he was pretty good in the matches against SL if i remember correctly. Has improved a lot since then though..

 

[TheJediBrah]

Ashwin's been perfectly fine in ODIs in Australia tbh. He's not been a massive threat because he's not got any assistance, but he's bowled pretty well, especially in the World Cup last year. I'd also argue he's a much better bowler now than he was in 2012 or whenever his first tour of Australia actually was. He bowled a bunch of pies today but it'd be silly to extrapolate too much from that.

Tests are obviously different.

That's exactly what I just said

btw last test tour was 2014, and he was ordinary. Averaged 48 on slightly slow/turning (bat still batting friendly) pitches, when Lyon averaged 34 and he looked completely unthreatening, got wickets caught on the boundary and such. And I doubt many people think Lyon is better than Ashwin.

Whether he just "had a bad day" irrespective of conditions or whether it played a big part in affecting his run up, rhythm etc is something we'll never know, but I'd bet it has. Especially taking into account his previous performances in Aus, against Aus. Also keep in mind he's bowling to batsman used to these conditions, which he wasn't necessarily doing during the WC.

Not that hard to understand surely

 

[vcs]

Even in that 2011-12 series he was pretty good in the matches against SL if i remember correctly. Has improved a lot since then though..

Yep - he even helped in winning a match with the bat against SL in that series.

 

[Prince EWS]

Even in that 2011-12 series he was pretty good in the matches against SL if i remember correctly. Has improved a lot since then though..

Yeah exactly. He's never been a rubbish ODI bowler in Australia and he's a much better bowler now than he was when he first toured here on top of that.

Even if he had been crap in ODIs in Australia consistently before (and I don't think that's the case) then I don't think one crap game here would suddenly confirm that he hadn't improved. If he bowls crap all series then we can talk about it. This is either a knee-jerk or an example of agenda-driven opportunism. Both are pretty common on CW tbf.

 

[indiaholic]

That's not at all what you said. Difference between not being a massive threat and being ****.

And variance in people's performance is not that hard to understand surely?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah exactly. He's never been a rubbish ODI bowler in Australia and he's a much better bowler now than he was when he first toured here on top of that.

Even if he had been crap in ODIs in Australia consistently before (and I don't think that's the case) then I don't think one crap game here would suddenly confirm that he hadn't improved. If he bowls crap all series then we can talk about it. This is either a knee-jerk or an example of agenda-driven opportunism. Both are pretty common on CW tbf.

lol wut I'm trying to defend him. He's never going to be taking 6-40 in Australia and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[TheJediBrah]

That's not at all what you said. Difference between not being a massive threat and being ****.

And variance in people's performance is not that hard to understand surely?

it's not just variance in performance when every time I've seen him bowl in Australia he's been unthreatening. And I never said he was ****. Others did.

 

[Prince EWS]

That's exactly what I just said

Haha nah there's a big difference between being crap, and just being steady because there's no assistance. Most good fast bowlers don't run through lineups in ODIs when there's no assistance for them either.

btw last test tour was 2014, and he was ordinary

Why the **** are we talking about Tests? Get out.