2015 Final Test Rankings - Steve Smith #1, Williamson #2, Voges #11

[TheJediBrah]

lol... I said they are getting pitches that help them the most. Where did I say they publicly asked for it? The first two posts you quoted were obviously based why they would want such pitches more than pitches that are fast and seaming. Where in either post did I say the Aussie TEam Mgmt specifically asked for such pitches. I have my doubts given how suddenly all tracks in Australia seem to be flat and fast just when they have batsmen and bowlers that like such pitches the most, and that was not the point I was making at all. The question was why will they want such tracks more than green seaming ones and that was my answer. Not hard to understand, except when you just love to deny facts.

Highlighted below where you said they asked for it. btw "Publicly" had nothing to do with the discussion at any stage until right now, and has no relevance whatsoever. You never said anything about "publicly" asking for certain types of pitches.

Maybe, but I guess the powers that be in the Australian Team may not share that opinion. They are ok to trade in a few draws every home series as long as they can ensure only they can win the series. Used to happen in India plenty in the 90s and heck, even in 2000s. Prepare absolute flat tracks and hope they break up over days 4 and 5 and hope again that our spinners are good enough to eke out the win in those 6 sessions.

If they prepare really fast tracks that aid swing, their bowlers will be lethal but their batsmen will fall over just like the Indian batsmen were in good spinning conditions earlier this year. Australia are simply doing what India did in the 2000s and yes, that is still taking the home advantage and ensuring they get pitches that they have the best chance to win on, but of course, in this case, it is also ensuring that they get the type of pitches where the opposition has almost zero chance to win on. There is nothing wrong with it but you people have to quit pretending as if this Aussie team is God's gift to cricket and they play on any wicket given to them without a whimper. They are obviously playing their home tests on pitches which give the opposition the worst chance to beat them in.

on roads prepared to ensure Australia cannot ever lose their home tests ...

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Didn't think the prize for worst thread of 2016 would be decided so quickly.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Haha, what? Pitches in Australia have always been roads in the last 15-20 years. It's just that in the last two years that they've become even more roady, and that's been to the detriment of the Aus team which had no trouble beating sides without high quality fast bowlers before then anyway.

Exactly. The flatness of recent pitches has cost Australia many Test wins in recent times. A couple v India last year, 1 or 2 v SA in 2012-13 come to mind. And not once has it helped Australia, there hasn't really been a draw where Australia have "saved" a Test thanks to a flat wicket.

hb just fails to understand the basic fact that the slow, dead roads Australian pitches have become has not helped them not has it significantly reduced opposition chances of winning any more than it has Australia's

 

[TheJediBrah]

Didn't think the prize for worst thread of 2016 would be decided so quickly.

goes to show how deep anti-Aus jealousy runs in the forum. All the trolls have come out for this one.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

All the trolls have come out for this one.

They sure have.

 

[indiaholic]

goes to show how deep anti-Aus jealousy runs in the forum. All the trolls have come out for this one.

Pretty sure people would have piped down if you weren't an acerbic ****.

 

[weldone]

goes to show how deep anti-Aus jealousy runs in the forum. All the trolls have come out for this one.

You'd love cricsim.

 

[honestbharani]

Haha, what? Pitches in Australia have always been roads. It's just that in the last two years that they've become even more roady, and that's been to the detriment of the Aus team which had no trouble beating sides without high quality fast bowlers before then anyway.

Funny story in 2011 then, when they were anything but roads in Melbourne and Perth. I would argue even Sydney was not a road for the first day and a half and we just didn't have the bowling quality in that series. In my time of watching cricket in Australia, the wickets have uniformly become flatter than they used to be in the last 2 or 3 years. There used to be assistance in Brisbane for bowlers, Perth's reputation is well known (it went to being flat for a while and then suddenly became quick again, once McWarne retired ) and Sydney is supposed to aid spin later in the test and Melbourne had assistance for seamers on the first day and a half. Why are all tracks now flatter and flatter though?


I guess drop in pitches would play a part but still, I am sure if asked for, the wickets can be made green and more bowler friendly?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Pretty sure people would have piped down if you weren't an acerbic ****.

pretty much spot on tbh

 

[honestbharani]

Highlighted below where you said they asked for it. btw "Publicly" had nothing to do with the discussion at any stage until right now, and has no relevance whatsoever. You never said anything about "publicly" asking for certain types of pitches.

Conveniently missing the context of the posts and what I explained earlier when I said in the second line you bolded I should have used "They may be" instead of "They are".. Of course, denying facts is your thing here in this thread. So carry on.

 

[TheJediBrah]

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Funny story in 2011 then, when they were anything but roads in Melbourne and Perth. I would argue even Sydney was not a road for the first day and a half and we just didn't have the bowling quality in that series. In my time of watching cricket in Australia, the wickets have uniformly become flatter than they used to be in the last 2 or 3 years. There used to be assistance in Brisbane for bowlers, Perth's reputation is well known (it went to being flat for a while and then suddenly became quick again, once McWarne retired ) and Sydney is supposed to aid spin later in the test and Melbourne had assistance for seamers on the first day and a half. Why are all tracks now flatter and flatter though?


I guess drop in pitches would play a part but still, I am sure if asked for, the wickets can be made green and more bowler friendly?

This is all true. And was established very early on in the thread.

Conveniently missing the context of the posts and what I explained earlier when I said in the second line you bolded I should have used "They may be" instead of "They are".. Of course, denying facts is your thing here in this thread. So carry on.

I've got to hand it to you. You've literally got all the evidence quoted there and bolded and still denying it.

Swag.

 

[honestbharani]

goes to show how deep anti-Aus jealousy runs in the forum. All the trolls have come out for this one.

Riiiiiight...

 

[honestbharani]

This is all true. And was established very early on in the thread.



I've got to hand it to you. You've literally got all the evidence quoted there and bolded and still denying it.


Swag.

Yep, quote posts out of context. deny facts. claim win. "Winning the good fight", indeed.

 

[TheJediBrah]

good win boys

very good win

better luck next time hb

 

[Daemon]

The funny thing is, quoting posts out of context is literally all you ever do after logging on at the end of the day and digging up ancient arguments

 

[honestbharani]

good win boys

very good win

better luck next time hb

Sure... Who can beat you in....

 

[honestbharani]

The funny thing is, quoting posts out of context is literally all you ever do after logging on at the end of the day and digging up ancient arguments

No.. I respond to the point of the post, as I would have followed the thread till then. Which is not what you did when you brought up two of my posts. Unless you define "context" differently.

 

[Gob]

Awesome thread

Fair to say that Jedibro and TNT kicked ass

 

[wellAlbidarned]

alright guys australia doesn't use any home advantage which is why they score 550-4 every first innings at home then lose everything the moment they cross any kind of body of water. The problem here is clearly that the oceans are casting a curse on australia's batsmen.

 

[Prince EWS]

Voges no. 11 test batsman . . . puts the deservedness of Smith's no. 1 ranking under doubt. Playing as a batsman regularly on the pitches Australia have been dishing and anyone would dominate.

Williamson, AB et al unlucky

Haha so gun.