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*Official* Fourth Test at Trent Bridge

jan

State Vice-Captain
Watching the highlights from yesterday - did Clarke try to play that famed "aggressive brand of cricket"? Did he tell the guys not to worry, after every and enjoy themselves hoping it would work? What was his plan? Sorry if this has been posted already but the thread has got awfully long to even skim through.

The 2011 Cape Town bashing doesnt somehow feel as bad as this.
 

wellAlbidarned

International Coach
A number 8 averaging over 30 with the bat, and possibly getting closer to 40 over time with continued improvement, while averaging under 30 with the ball and taking wickets is immensely valuable to a side. Immensely.
If faulkner was this good it would make him in the top 5 all rounders of all time
 
If faulkner was this good it would make him in the top 5 all rounders of all time
Yes, but you have to appreciate the value of a bowling all rounder first, which your post to me indicates that you do.

I think Faulkner could have a record every bit as good, or near to, as Botham, Cairns or Dev in terms of batting and bowling career averages. Just look at how his current FC record compares, and his cricket is getting better over time. His ODI record improves from List A as an all rounder, so he is not phased by the bigger stage of international cricket.

I don't see him hitting Khan levels despite taking 6 wickets at 16 in his only test so far.

Faulkner in his only test bowled "outstandlingly" well. He also did his job with the bat and unselfishly sacrificed his wicket in both innings seeking quick runs with the bat at better than a 100 SR as victory was chased by Australia. The man can play cricket. He is a great cricketer.
 
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hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Marsh's shot was worse than Clarke's in that it betrayed a genuine attempt to play an on-the-up drive in a seaming wicket. Absolutely mindless but I wasn't expecting better.

Clarke's shot, you'd have to hope he mis-read the length and thought it was more full than it actually was.
 

Captain_Cook

U19 12th Man
One stat I found interesting yesterday was that Root was the leading run scorer heading into the match, but the next three were Australians, despite being behind 2-1 in the series. That to me demonstrates the benefits of a deep batting line up with a player like Ali batting at 8.
IIRC, the top 5 after Edgbaston was:

Rogers - 385
Smith - 354
Root - 313
Warner - 269
Bell - 191

If you exclude Lords the top 5 coming into TB were:

Root - 295
Bell - 179
Rogers - 163
Ali - 151
Warner - 148

It's certainly been Root's Ashes and our batting depth to 8 has been a saving grace really. Its brought up some uncomfortable issues. Who is the best opener in England? They have tried to use Bell at number 3 but he got out for 1 again. Is Stokes good enough to bat 6? Is Buttler good enough to bat 7? Ali's looked better this series.
 

burr

State Vice-Captain
I genuinely hope England score big today because I want to see some cricket on the weekend for once in this retched series!
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
Surely there must be some more context around that Clarke quote. Was that another quote you posted dan or was that just your own surmising of what he was thinking?
 

Flem274*

123/5
ESPNcricinfo @ESPNcricinfo
Clarke on the shot that got him out: "I was thinking if he [Broad] pitches it up I'm going to hit it as far as I can"

i don't even
Clarke clearly didn't read McCullum's quote about being aggressive
This is the thing, McCullum plays like a lunatic because apparently in his own words "he trusts his defense now" which means he can dial it back like he did in the 300, the 50 odd in the test we won against England etc.

I've got no issues with Clarke's approach. Saying "**** it" in tough conditions and fighting fire with fire is how Australia win all the time at home and how NZ won in the UAE and in England, the problem is Clarke can't execute it right now.
 

Flem274*

123/5
Anyway, the collapses became more likely once Australia moved Smith to #3. Atm they're very top heavy and their best batsmen are the guys facing the music of Anderson and Broad with a new rock.

I know it's easy to say this now but my gut feel several tests on from his initial promotion is Smith is more of a natural #4 than a #3.
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
Surely there must be some more context around that Clarke quote. Was that another quote you posted dan or was that just your own surmising of what he was thinking?
My surmising of the thought process leading to the quote.
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
IIRC, the top 5 after Edgbaston was:

Rogers - 385
Smith - 354
Root - 313
Warner - 269
Bell - 191

If you exclude Lords the top 5 coming into TB were:

Root - 295
Bell - 179
Rogers - 163
Ali - 151
Warner - 148

It's certainly been Root's Ashes and our batting depth to 8 has been a saving grace really. Its brought up some uncomfortable issues. Who is the best opener in England? They have tried to use Bell at number 3 but he got out for 1 again. Is Stokes good enough to bat 6? Is Buttler good enough to bat 7? Ali's looked better this series.
Oz returns from 4/5/6 have been deplorable (272 runs from 18 innings @ 15) so as soon as we lose our 2nd wicket we become 5 down

However, the reason we are behind is that most of the team is an undisciplined rabble with the bat and you will go a long way to see worse batting than we have produced in the 1st, 3rd and 4th tests
 
IIRC, the top 5 after Edgbaston was:

Rogers - 385
Smith - 354
Root - 313
Warner - 269
Bell - 191

If you exclude Lords the top 5 coming into TB were:

Root - 295
Bell - 179
Rogers - 163
Ali - 151
Warner - 148
It was a SKY TV stat, so it may well have been live at the point in the match, after Root had already scored runs. Either way, it was one England batsman in the top 4 run scorers, and three Australian with England winning the series.
 

Captain_Cook

U19 12th Man
Do you still want Cook sacked? @CC
No, dropping Cookie from the ODI team was a career and captaincy saving move. I think almost everything he's touched has turned to gold since. Still gutted about the Mitch Marsh drag on at Lords (which I called at the start of the over) after improving his top score against Aus in England by 1...
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Clarke's comments about his shot are pretty baffling.

Firstly, starting to leave well would've put some pressure on the bowlers. That ball could certainly have been left.

Secondly, if you had decided to go at it, you still needed to pick the right ball. Flaying at one that wide and on that length was always going to end badly.

Despite any justifications to the contrary, the shot smacked of panic and poor judgement.
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
My surmising of the thought process leading to the quote.
“I thought if he pitches it up I’m going to hit it as far as I can,” he said. “I watched guys trying to defend. The better the bowling the more aggressive you have to be. Live by the sword you die by the sword. Guys were getting out blocking all around me which is why I tried to be a aggressive as I could.”
You weren't far wrong.
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
Personally I think he should have left that ball and just blocked for all he is worth. If they could have made it to the end of Broad's spell then they had a chance at a come back. With comeback being defined as a score like 150.
 

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