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*Official* English Football Season 2015-16
- Thread starter Furball
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GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
It's a fair point. He was a cracker for Liverpool and made you wonder why, between Leeds (where he won the title) and Liverpool he was playing for Coventry, no offence to marc. They were a respectable Prem outfit at the time but he was clearly on a higher level.
How have they managed to get Cabaye?
I know Murray was really good at the end of last year but you feel they can probably upgrade there as well.
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
All this dross that Liverpool are inflicting upon themselves on and off the field is a nice stick for people who despise them to beat them with. In the unlikely event that it's successful Liverpool fans will be able to gloat relentlessly.
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
The NFL deal is going to be interesting to see how it works. I don't really know how big the game is in London. The stadium looks great, I think I'm going to have to go on over for a visit.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Ah, I forgot, people with no lives care. Next stop #wegotthebestballboyAll this dross that Liverpool are inflicting upon themselves on and off the field is a nice stick for people who despise them to beat them with. In the unlikely event that it's successful Liverpool fans will be able to gloat relentlessly.
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
Not quite. People who grew up with Liverpool winning everything and their fans gloating endlessly now take the pee out of them.
cpr
International Coach
Ah wash away your tears boy, he wants to move, because he's a 20 year old with ambition to play at the top, and Liverpool aren't there. He's no reason to be loyal to a club that only signed him a few years ago.
No matter what the barrage of ex-Liverpool players in the media say, if he wants to leave then fine, it's not the big treason being painted to be.
Half the stuff in the papers is made up crap during the slow news period, if you believe it all, well....
Even still:
He can earn better money elsewhere
He can actually win stuff elsewhere
He can play for a manager with tactical nous elsewhere.
All solid reasons to move IMO.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
If you think it is about him wanting to move or the reasons you're not paying attention. Sterling's ****ing up hard going the way he has. Whether you're Liverpool affiliated or not it's that obvious - and everyone, even non-LFC people, are talking about how badly this is making him look.
Funny enough, Berahino apparently is no longer being represented by Ward now. Smart move.
Funny enough, Berahino apparently is no longer being represented by Ward now. Smart move.
cpr
International Coach
The only people who I hear saying he looks bad are ex-Liverpool players, old pro's who 'didn't do it that way in our day' and Liverpool fans. The rest of us don't give a **** and would take him at our club in a heartbeat
As for the pre-season tour thing.... well, it makes sense not to go. He knows everyone is upset about him wanting to move, he knows everyone is telling him he's wrong and trying to change his mind, but he doesn't want to.
So to go on a tour surrounded purely by those he's upset, those he's *****ed off with his decision, and those that will do anything to convince him to change his mind, - basically put himself in a position where he's going to get it in the neck constantly..... all the while being seperated from those he cares about, those who'll stick up for him, his young child etc - I'd not want to be putting myself in that position when theres nothing good to gain from it.
The club need to learn to play without him, so train without him, he's not going to want to play for them again, so he might as well not be there. Meantime he can get on with finding a move, enjoy time with his family, and not be put in a position where it must be hellish having everyone against what you want all day every day.
And yes, I'd say the same if De Gea refused to come on our pre-season too....
As for the pre-season tour thing.... well, it makes sense not to go. He knows everyone is upset about him wanting to move, he knows everyone is telling him he's wrong and trying to change his mind, but he doesn't want to.
So to go on a tour surrounded purely by those he's upset, those he's *****ed off with his decision, and those that will do anything to convince him to change his mind, - basically put himself in a position where he's going to get it in the neck constantly..... all the while being seperated from those he cares about, those who'll stick up for him, his young child etc - I'd not want to be putting myself in that position when theres nothing good to gain from it.
The club need to learn to play without him, so train without him, he's not going to want to play for them again, so he might as well not be there. Meantime he can get on with finding a move, enjoy time with his family, and not be put in a position where it must be hellish having everyone against what you want all day every day.
And yes, I'd say the same if De Gea refused to come on our pre-season too....
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Are Burley, Neville or Henry ex-Liverpool players? You're not really following the news or the articles written if you think it is only Liverpool affiliated people. In fact, of anyone that's discussed the issue I am not sure I have heard anyone defend it.
What you've basically said is: he doesn't want to go into a situation where he himself has made any stay untenable. Well, that's the ****ing point. I'd say 9/10 Liverpool fans want him gone, it's not about that at this stage. But he should still have the professionalism to get on with it while he's here. He's signed a contract that he's already agreed to honour. The continuous side-shows just indicate a huge lack of respect and class.
I think as a United fan you're probably happy about any bad press for Liverpool and that's why you're missing the point. You just want to pass it off as "those whinging scousers again".
What you've basically said is: he doesn't want to go into a situation where he himself has made any stay untenable. Well, that's the ****ing point. I'd say 9/10 Liverpool fans want him gone, it's not about that at this stage. But he should still have the professionalism to get on with it while he's here. He's signed a contract that he's already agreed to honour. The continuous side-shows just indicate a huge lack of respect and class.
I think as a United fan you're probably happy about any bad press for Liverpool and that's why you're missing the point. You just want to pass it off as "those whinging scousers again".
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cpr
International Coach
Really? OK I'll give you Henry, I didn't realise anyone listened to Burley anymore, certainly impossible to find a quote online, but Neville has been ready to pan Liverpool rather than Stirling. Lineker has come out to defend him too. Alan Shearer has said nothing interesting, struggling to think who else would fall in the non-Liverpool brigade who I've heard on the issue.
And that's not what I've said. You have to take in context all I've said on the issue, not one post. IMO he's not made a situation by demanding to leave, the situations been made by the fact the club has gone hugely backwards over the last 12 months, in fact bar one season with Suarez (promptly sold and not replaced with anyone half as good), they've not challenged for honours at all in Sterlings time there. Add the clubs regression to the fact its clear he's lost faith in the managers ability (the manager who got rightly derided for putting him at wing-back), and the situation has not so much been made by one person but come to a head where club and player are too far apart.
You talk about 'professionalism' and 'honouring a contract'. Were forgetting footballers are humans too. I'm sure if any of us signed a contract with a company and they went to pot over the next 12 months we'd want out and start looking for better businesses to work for. Many of us would actually quit (if we could afford it) rather than spend a day at a company thats going wrong, surrounded by people who know you don't want to be there but insist on telling you to stay, or maybe resent you for wanting out. Its a spiteful atmosphere and few of us would stick it, even take the financial hit to leave and protect our mental/emotional wellbeing. Yet footballers aren't allowed to think like that. They must turn up and give 110% in training everyday and bloody well swallow it if the club wont sell, because they can't just walk away like other humans can. And we, as fellow humans, expect that too, like working for a football club has a level of loyalty tied into the contract that no other employer has. It's not like Sterling owes them an apprenticeship or years of support and development, they signed him as a (admittedly young) commodity, not because they loved his cheeky ****ney jib.
End of the day the kid is massively unhappy for one reason or the other, be it he wants more money (christ don't we all?), or more sucess. Either way, having a go at him for not wanting to go into an environment thats probably going to do nothing but depress him (oh no, footballers can't be depressed, because they are so rich) is uncalled for IMO.
I'd agree with fining him his wages whilst he's not turning up, that's fair enough, and would happen to the rest of us going AWOL, but if a person doesn't want to go work in an environment, and is willing to take the financial hit, then I support them.
Also, saying I want to pass it off as 'whinging scousers', well, it doesn't help thats how they, the pundits not the club, come across. Lawrenson was all player power when Lallana wanted to move from Southampton to Liverpool, but when its on the other foot he's quick to slate Sterling. It comes across as petulant and childish, and he's not the only ex-Liverpool player to do so. I don't actually see any of it as bad press for Liverpool as a club - player wants to leave, club doesn't want him to, happens to every team - but its the pundits chucking their comments in and savaging Sterling just because he wants to leave Liverpool that's the bad press. The way the actual club has handled things has been done in the correct fashion TBH.