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*Official* English Football Season 2015-16

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
The funny thing isn't Sterling's behaviour, which is obviously ill advised. The really comical thing is the indignation of a proportion of Liverpool fans and ex-players that he would dare to think he could better himself by going elsewhere this early in his career.
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
Nah he's missing the point.

Sterling created this mess for himself. Fair enough if he wants a move, nothing wrong with ambition. But the way he's gone about it is completely unprofessional (just look at how Benteke is handling things comparatively), and the resulting hounding is purely because of this.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Liverpool and Rodgers created the mess with his "Raheem's the best young player in Europe" bollocks.
 

cpr

International Coach
It's funny, In January Gerrard comes out and says he's rejecting any contract and leaving in the summer as the club didn't offer him a deal in pre-season
In April, Sterling comes out and says he's putting talks on hold until the end of the year, but if the club had offered him a contract last summer when he asked he'd have signed straight away.

Yet Sterling is vilified from the second its aired by the club that he hasn't signed.


Now we've had similar with Rooney. Twice. First time the fans got behind him, second we just left it to see what'd happen, not that fussed if he went though. Either way on both occasions the door has been left unblocked for player and fan to rebuild any damage to the relationship.

Liverpool fans spend the end of the season giving Sterling grief for not signing on the dotted line that instant, and even booed him at the clubs own end of season awards. If I was Sterling why would I want to stay with a bunch of 'fans' who treated me like that. The fans have shut the door on rebuilding the relationship IMO, no wonder he doesn't want to stay.

Sorry, but the mess that is Sterlings contract is not all down to Sterling or his agent, the club and the fans need to realise they've pushed him away
 

Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
Completely disagree. As you're a Manc, and I follow Liverpool, perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle? ;)
 

cpr

International Coach
Quite possibly, and I'll concede that despite trying to be as objectionable as possible, when it comes to talking about Liverpool fans, god help me ;)
 

dontcloseyoureyes

BARNES OUT
He's a Liverpool player. Under contract. He's no right to refuse to go! Give over.
Don't really care either way but this is a bit off IMO. Dock his pay or something but every human has the right to refuse to do something that makes them uncomfortable. I signed a contract for my current job but if you told me I had to do something that I didn't want to do because of it I'd tell you to **** right off.

I mean within reason. I don't want to do most things at work but do them anyway haha. I mean things that genuinely stress me out and make me upset, which I presume Sterling is probably feeling about this tour.
 
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Nate

You'll Never Walk Alone
Don't exactly know what my point is, but it is interesting that Balotelli is now back at training despite his circumstances.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Really? OK I'll give you Henry, I didn't realise anyone listened to Burley anymore, certainly impossible to find a quote online, but Neville has been ready to pan Liverpool rather than Stirling. Lineker has come out to defend him too. Alan Shearer has said nothing interesting, struggling to think who else would fall in the non-Liverpool brigade who I've heard on the issue.
That article doesn't address the issue but instead digresses to another point. Neville already has said what he's doing isn't right - back when Sterling hadn't even done as much - on MNF. It's on Youtube.

Lineker from what I remember wasn't talking about his actions being OK in getting the move; but that he has a right to choose. I think you're missing the boat on this one again and again. No one is saying he can't have ambition or he can't choose for himself. What he's currently done is just inexcusable, regardless of your motivations.

And that's not what I've said. You have to take in context all I've said on the issue, not one post. IMO he's not made a situation by demanding to leave, the situations been made by the fact the club has gone hugely backwards over the last 12 months, in fact bar one season with Suarez (promptly sold and not replaced with anyone half as good), they've not challenged for honours at all in Sterlings time there. Add the clubs regression to the fact its clear he's lost faith in the managers ability (the manager who got rightly derided for putting him at wing-back), and the situation has not so much been made by one person but come to a head where club and player are too far apart.
I don't care to really argue this point as it is completely irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Whether or not the club has gone backwards he has signed a contract and he should at the least do the bare minimum and not act in such a fashion. His move will come, it's inevitable.

You talk about 'professionalism' and 'honouring a contract'. Were forgetting footballers are humans too. I'm sure if any of us signed a contract with a company and they went to pot over the next 12 months we'd want out and start looking for better businesses to work for. Many of us would actually quit (if we could afford it) rather than spend a day at a company thats going wrong, surrounded by people who know you don't want to be there but insist on telling you to stay, or maybe resent you for wanting out. Its a spiteful atmosphere and few of us would stick it, even take the financial hit to leave and protect our mental/emotional wellbeing. Yet footballers aren't allowed to think like that. They must turn up and give 110% in training everyday and bloody well swallow it if the club wont sell, because they can't just walk away like other humans can. And we, as fellow humans, expect that too, like working for a football club has a level of loyalty tied into the contract that no other employer has. It's not like Sterling owes them an apprenticeship or years of support and development, they signed him as a (admittedly young) commodity, not because they loved his cheeky ****ney jib.

If this was his justification, it's just nonsense. If anything, Liverpool is in a better position now than for most of Sterling's career. Better than when he signed the contract in the first place.

And no, you don't have a right to just up and leave because you don't think the company is going the way you want it to go. Sterling is an employee. As long as Liverpool keep to their side of the contract and paying him for his services, he has to keep to his side of the deal as well. If there was a clause, such as a player being allowed to leave if they have CL and Liverpool don't, then this wouldn't be a discussion as that would already be taken advantage of.

The only reason playing for Liverpool would be unpleasant at this stage is because of his own actions. This is what people mean when they say don't burn your bridges. The bridge burner can't then claim innocence.
End of the day the kid is massively unhappy for one reason or the other, be it he wants more money (christ don't we all?), or more sucess. Either way, having a go at him for not wanting to go into an environment thats probably going to do nothing but depress him (oh no, footballers can't be depressed, because they are so rich) is uncalled for IMO.

I'd agree with fining him his wages whilst he's not turning up, that's fair enough, and would happen to the rest of us going AWOL, but if a person doesn't want to go work in an environment, and is willing to take the financial hit, then I support them.

Also, saying I want to pass it off as 'whinging scousers', well, it doesn't help thats how they, the pundits not the club, come across. Lawrenson was all player power when Lallana wanted to move from Southampton to Liverpool, but when its on the other foot he's quick to slate Sterling. It comes across as petulant and childish, and he's not the only ex-Liverpool player to do so. I don't actually see any of it as bad press for Liverpool as a club - player wants to leave, club doesn't want him to, happens to every team - but its the pundits chucking their comments in and savaging Sterling just because he wants to leave Liverpool that's the bad press. The way the actual club has handled things has been done in the correct fashion TBH.
I don't care why he wants to leave. For whatever reason, that's his choice. However, his conduct has been disgraceful. This shouldn't be an argument and the only reason it seems to be is because your lack of empathy towards your rival blinds you to seeing it.

Comparing Lallana (who, I still don't think was an angel) to what Sterling does just showcases this clear lack of understanding. Lallana, Suarez, a lot of players that may have forced a move to or from Liverpool have not gone about it in this fashion. It's a bit more than pro-Liverpool agenda or media hyperbole in this issue; it's simply that he's conducted himself poorly.
 
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cpr

International Coach
That article doesn't address the issue but instead digresses to another point. Neville already has said what he's doing isn't right - back when Sterling hadn't even done as much - on MNF. It's on Youtube.

Lineker from what I remember wasn't talking about his actions being OK in getting the move; but that he has a right to choose. I think you're missing the boat on this one again and again. No one is saying he can't have ambition or he can't choose for himself. What he's currently done is just inexcusable, regardless of your motivations.
OK, I'm intrigued, whats he done thats so inexucasble then. He's given an interview which he said he would've signed a contract last summer but the club refused to offer it, now he'll wait until the end of the season to consider it as it was too much to deal with, but it's not about wanting more money (this is two months after Gerrard gave a similar interview).
Then after a few months of fans on his back, and ex-pro's, his agent loses his rag and says he wont sign a new contract (again, stating its not about money) and laid into Carragher for what he'd been saying (which is fair) - I'll grant that one was unprofessional but born of frustration
He's sat at home whilst the press have gone ape**** making this this summers transfer saga, printing whatever the hell they want really.
Now he's saying he doesn't want to join the pre-season tour - Not the first pro to do this in lieu of a move, in fact its rather common.


Yeah, its not exemplary behaviour, but y'know, the club haven't exactly avoided using the press either to say how he's refusing to sign a contract and that they won't sell him etc. It's a bit unfair to say the club can give whatever press statement they want but the player can't have his say either.

I don't care to really argue this point as it is completely irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Whether or not the club has gone backwards he has signed a contract and he should at the least do the bare minimum and not act in such a fashion. His move will come, it's inevitable.

So hang on. I make a comment, you pick up on a point, I clarify that its a bit out of context and expand, and you say it's irrelevant. No offence, but if you want to respond to what I've said, then you can't then say what I've said is irrelevant to the discussion, its what started it in the first place after all. In fact I dare say given you are responding to my views, I decide if what I've said is relevant, not you.

If this was his justification, it's just nonsense. If anything, Liverpool is in a better position now than for most of Sterling's career. Better than when he signed the contract in the first place.

And no, you don't have a right to just up and leave because you don't think the company is going the way you want it to go. Sterling is an employee. As long as Liverpool keep to their side of the contract and paying him for his services, he has to keep to his side of the deal as well. If there was a clause, such as a player being allowed to leave if they have CL and Liverpool don't, then this wouldn't be a discussion as that would already be taken advantage of.

The only reason playing for Liverpool would be unpleasant at this stage is because of his own actions. This is what people mean when they say don't burn your bridges. The bridge burner can't then claim innocence.
How are Liverpool in a better position. When he signed you finished 7th, this year you finished 6th, a massive drop on the 2nd from the year before (which given every other season Sterlings been at Liverpool the clubs finished between 6th and 8th). At best you've stayed stagnant over the years. At worse this year is a massive regression on last, whilst the player has improved dramatically.

Unfortunately, you're so ****ing wrong its untrue. I do have a right to up and leave because I don't think a company is going the way you want to go. 95% of the population do. Most of us have done it. I've walked away from contracts before (both open and fixed term) because I've been unhappy with how the works changed and felt the contract has become unfair. Technically Sterling has the right to do it as well, so long as he doesn't want to seek employment from another football club - that's to do with the player registration staying with Liverpool. Cantona did it to us - decided he didn't want to be a footballer anymore so walked away mid contract. Nothing we could do, and no compensation either.
Its slightly different in that Sterling wants to stay in football so he can't just wash his hands of the club completely, however it doesn't change the fact that he's in a position which any of us would consider untenable within our lines of work, and I think its wrong to expect him to just put up, shut up and be Mr company, when really his only way to get out of this situation is to make his dissatisfaction clear by refusing to co-operate.

I don't care why he wants to leave. For whatever reason, that's his choice. However, his conduct has been disgraceful. This shouldn't be an argument and the only reason it seems to be is because your lack of empathy towards your rival blinds you to seeing it.

Comparing Lallana (who, I still don't think was an angel) to what Sterling does just showcases this clear lack of understanding. Lallana, Suarez, a lot of players that may have forced a move to or from Liverpool have not gone about it in this fashion.

And I just don't see how much different a fashion what's happening with Sterling is with so many other professionals who've wanted to move and have done what they can to make the move happen. It's just getting reported and blown up in the press more because its a slow summer transfer window and Sterling is the hot property of it.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
OK, I'm intrigued, whats he done thats so inexucasble then. He's given an interview which he said he would've signed a contract last summer but the club refused to offer it, now he'll wait until the end of the season to consider it as it was too much to deal with, but it's not about wanting more money (this is two months after Gerrard gave a similar interview).
Then after a few months of fans on his back, and ex-pro's, his agent loses his rag and says he wont sign a new contract (again, stating its not about money) and laid into Carragher for what he'd been saying (which is fair) - I'll grant that one was unprofessional but born of frustration
He's sat at home whilst the press have gone ape**** making this this summers transfer saga, printing whatever the hell they want really.
Now he's saying he doesn't want to join the pre-season tour - Not the first pro to do this in lieu of a move, in fact its rather common.

Yeah, its not exemplary behaviour, but y'know, the club haven't exactly avoided using the press either to say how he's refusing to sign a contract and that they won't sell him etc. It's a bit unfair to say the club can give whatever press statement they want but the player can't have his say either.
It's convenient to just go with his narrative when it suits you and I'm not saying just go with the club either but the situation is not really that unclear. The club though didn't engage in media games until Raheem started to play dirty. I'm not under any illusions about club or player power. I've always had a bit of distaste about fans who expect players to be 100% loyal and yet don't see the other side of the equation - that is, when the club no longer wants the player they **** him off. This for me means people have a right to look out for their own interests - even if it is against the interests of the club I support.

I've detailed this before; but I'll do it again so as to cut through some of the confusion and where I'm coming from. Sterling signed a contract the season before last. Him complaining about a new contract less than a year after he's already gotten doesn't need much explaining. Saying he would have signed one at the end of last season is confusing because why would a club who've already got you for at least 3 more seasons think they need to rush and give you another raise? I think the club would have given him one anyway eventually but it's clear that Raheem and his agent have initiated the whole thing.

For example, why would the media know or care about a player's contract situation when he already has 3 seasons left? You see Rodgers being hounded about it in the press and the penny drops. Clubs and other people following the game know this is code for: "hey look, I/Raheem wants more money/to move". So the club then get together with the player and offer him, reportedly, 100k a week. This is what Carra is also referring to when he talks about leaks.

Rodgers is still asked about the contract situation. So what does he say? "We've given what we think is an incredible offer". It's leaked that it's 100k. Everyone starts talking about Sterling being a money-grubbing **** and he then feels he needs to go to an unapproved interview with the BBC. He says it's not about the money but if it wasn't then why even entertain negotiations in the first place? If it isn't about money, then hand over a transfer request, forfeiting loyalty payments.

At this stage Liverpool don't have to sell him. City won't offer more apparently, and it's a bit obvious they're asking him to kick up a fuss. He's faking illnesses and saying he won't go on tour. Even when Suarez wanted to leave, he still went on tour.


So hang on. I make a comment, you pick up on a point, I clarify that its a bit out of context and expand, and you say it's irrelevant. No offence, but if you want to respond to what I've said, then you can't then say what I've said is irrelevant to the discussion, its what started it in the first place after all. In fact I dare say given you are responding to my views, I decide if what I've said is relevant, not you.
First of all, I am talking about the issue, not responding to what you think is the issue. As I said, whether Liverpool is a **** club or whether Sterling is moving for the money isn't really the point.

You can get your move and do it with some semblance of dignity.

How are Liverpool in a better position. When he signed you finished 7th, this year you finished 6th, a massive drop on the 2nd from the year before (which given every other season Sterlings been at Liverpool the clubs finished between 6th and 8th). At best you've stayed stagnant over the years. At worse this year is a massive regression on last, whilst the player has improved dramatically.
He didn't sign when we were 2nd. He signed earlier, that's why he's only on 35k. At that stage Liverpool was in a worse position than now. Rankings-wise and the players at the club.

And let's say he signed a new contract when we'd just gotten 2nd. His 3 seasons becomes 5 and what then? He still wants to leave using your reasons. So it's really irrelevant. Players aren't allowed to break their agreement because the club may regress. That's an inherent and accepted risk. If it wasn't there'd be a clause.

Unfortunately, you're so ****ing wrong its untrue. I do have a right to up and leave because I don't think a company is going the way you want to go. 95% of the population do. Most of us have done it. I've walked away from contracts before (both open and fixed term) because I've been unhappy with how the works changed and felt the contract has become unfair. Technically Sterling has the right to do it as well, so long as he doesn't want to seek employment from another football club - that's to do with the player registration staying with Liverpool. Cantona did it to us - decided he didn't want to be a footballer anymore so walked away mid contract. Nothing we could do, and no compensation either.
Its slightly different in that Sterling wants to stay in football so he can't just wash his hands of the club completely, however it doesn't change the fact that he's in a position which any of us would consider untenable within our lines of work, and I think its wrong to expect him to just put up, shut up and be Mr company, when really his only way to get out of this situation is to make his dissatisfaction clear by refusing to co-operate.
You're talking about a different situation. Not all employees have the same terms. Obviously, footballers can't just terminate their contracts. They can only do so under certain terms I imagine. They're high value assets and clubs will have inbuilt mechanisms for when they can leave or not. Sterling's agreed to them. So in terms of what is 'right' he should abide by them. Otherwise, what's the point of a contract?

And again, it's only untenable because of his own doing. He's turning everyone against him. Transfers happen; just wanting a transfer doesn't make your position untenable. Acting like a **** and disrespecting the club might. So he doesn't get to use that as an excuse.


And I just don't see how much different a fashion what's happening with Sterling is with so many other professionals who've wanted to move and have done what they can to make the move happen. It's just getting reported and blown up in the press more because its a slow summer transfer window and Sterling is the hot property of it.
There's the problem. You think it's no different. Evidently, most people don't agree. Unless you think there is some Liverpool-bias amongst all these people. Heck there's a reason I name Burley (who hates Rodgers) and Neville (who is a Manc); because even they're commented on it. Anyway, we're not going to agree.
 
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GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Don't really care either way but this is a bit off IMO. Dock his pay or something but every human has the right to refuse to do something that makes them uncomfortable. I signed a contract for my current job but if you told me I had to do something that I didn't want to do because of it I'd tell you to **** right off.

I mean within reason. I don't want to do most things at work but do them anyway haha. I mean things that genuinely stress me out and make me upset, which I presume Sterling is probably feeling about this tour.
Clumsy wording from me really because I just mean he has no right to be paid etc if he takes that line.

CPR's point about if he's prepared to take the hit, fair enough too. We shall see if he is, or if Liverpool have the balls, I guess
 

flibbertyjibber

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This Sterling thing is weird, if I was a fan of Liverpool I would want him out of the club as soon as is possible and fleece City or whoever buys him for as much as they can get but at the same time I think I wouldn't want my club buying him as while he clearly has talent he is also a troublemaker and I am not sure the hassle he is causing matches the talent. I guess he has believed the hype about him but like many young England players he isn't as good as the hype about him, same as Barkley over the park. Personally think the best young player in England is Stones and if I was at a big club i'd be moving heaven and earth to sign him this summer before his value goes through the roof.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Liverpool and Rodgers created the mess with his "Raheem's the best young player in Europe" bollocks.
Ill advised it may well have been but you're kidding yourself if you think this situation wouldn't have unfolded anyway
 

King Pietersen

International Captain
Cabaye confirmed as a Palace player. Great signing for them. Apparently Shaqiri to Stoke is close too. Some crazy signings happening this summer!
 

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