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*Official* New Zealand in England 2015

weldone

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
Athlai said:
Gotta love how Ross Taylor has been so consistently awesome at ODIs for so long he would actually be putting his hand up as one of the great #4s of all time Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

...except for the fact he is entirely overshadowed by AB de Bradman himself. God damn it AB, y u hav 2 b so gud
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Also wow at Kohli's record at no. 4 in that list - 1721 runs @ 61.46 and SR of 91.9!

Taylor is always dangerous once he crosses those first 30 runs. Get him early or be sad.
 
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Furball

Furball

Evil Scotsman
I didn't say you could change the size of his head ffs :D

I'll caption tomorrow unless you can give me a captioned pic tonight. Don't have access to Paint.
 
thierry henry

thierry henry

International Coach
Cabinet96

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
Buttler only averages 5 runs more than Billings in the FC stuff for the record. Playing most of his stuff as a specialist bat at Taunton. Must've been lower when he first started playing for England as well.

I'm kind of stuck between agreeing with Howe's point about Roy but also thinking we should always pick guys like Buttler, and to a lesser extent Billings, with their gun List A records.
 
Athlai

Athlai

Not Terrible
You'd expect the current ODI rules would see England play similar to NZ, with swing dominating the first 20, and then the run fest beginning from there. But it seems like the swing hasn't really been all that much of a factor.
 
Cabinet96

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
What I find weird is that in the Champions Trophy a couple of years ago reverse swing was actually quite an important factor. I remember England used it really well to beat Australia. It seems to be pretty much only Starc who can get the old ball to reverse these days.
 
Bahnz

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Athlai said:
In ODIs you can't even see any sign of a slump at all in his record.

Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
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The slump was never about runs, it was about his strike rate. During the WC (and the run up to it) he was slowing down (SR of 77) just as the rest of the world was going into overdrive. I think it's still a bit of a problem for him, it's just that he's making sure to convert on his starts this series.

Seriously love Rossco though. How long until he passess Astle's NZ record for ODI tons?
 
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theegyptian

theegyptian

International Vice-Captain
Roy looks out of his depth against decent seam at the start of the innings which isn't a great surprise given he bats at 6 for Surrey in first class cricket. Billings at least has looked capable and less technically suspect (although clearly he's protected batting at 7). Billings will have the same problem as Buttler at the start of his career. Batting 7 with a high variance game leaves him vulnerable because he'll go games without batting and fail in others - and if your selected as a batsman alone people will start asking why you are in the team. That's why I liked it once Buttler took the gloves in ODI cricket. It gave him something to fall back upon when he didn't bat/failed and allowed him to feel settled in the team. With Buttler already in the team(and keeping) Billings is unlikely to be given that opportunity - that leaves him vulnerable. If they really see something in Billings I'd give him the gloves at the end of the summer. Play Buttler as a bat and let Billings get established in the team.

Fwiw I've been following Billings fairly closely this season and I was a little surprised they selected him for this series. Imo he's been playing a little too frenetically and taking a few too many low perecentage gambles with his batting in first class and T20 (as opposed to last year). Happy he is there though.

I'd like the current team better if they had a 6th bowler. Stokes isn't gonna regularly churn out 10 good overs and there are plenty of other vulnerabilities. Before the series I'd have had Moeen/Stokes/Rashid as the 4/5/6 bowlers and share the overs as the conditions dictated. Chances are they'll replace Roy with Moeen for the Aus ODIs. Roy battted 5 for England lions last year and is probably a little more suited to that spot at present (even though he opens for Surrey) (as he is pretty dominant against mediocre spin and pretty vulnerable when the ball is moving around off the seamers ) but there isn't really a spot available in the middle order.
 
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Skyliner

Skyliner

International 12th Man
"I don't think 'aggressive' has to mean slogging or hitting the ball 150 metres. I think the style of play is what you want to achieve in an innings and the runs you get.

"To bowl them out before the 50 overs was key, they were on track for a few more runs. They played well again with the bat and it was nice to restrict them. It was also great to form that partnership with Ross, who batted outstandingly to take the game deep - it was frustrating one of us was not there at the end but the guys that came in formed the partnerships that were required to get us over the line."

Kane desperately trying to justify his approach, but sadly he just doesn't seem to get it. Agressive cricket is all about slogging and trying to hit the ball as hard and as far as possible. No matter the match circumstances, this approach must not be moderated. Also, always attempt to raise a milestone with a boundary....I mean to say, a 6.
 
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CaptainGrumpy

Banned
Skyliner said:
"I don't think 'aggressive' has to mean slogging or hitting the ball 150 metres. I think the style of play is what you want to achieve in an innings and the runs you get.

"To bowl them out before the 50 overs was key, they were on track for a few more runs. They played well again with the bat and it was nice to restrict them. It was also great to form that partnership with Ross, who batted outstandingly to take the game deep - it was frustrating one of us was not there at the end but the guys that came in formed the partnerships that were required to get us over the line."

Kane desperately trying to justify his approach, but sadly he just doesn't seem to get it. Agressive cricket is all about slogging and trying to hit the ball as hard and as far as possible. No matter the match circumstances, this approach must not be moderated. Also, always attempt to raise a milestone with a boundary....I mean to say, a 6.
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He's on notice that its not about scoring rates of over 100. It is looking like you're scoring at 90-100. Instead of Williamson scoring at SR 110 but looking like he is playing test cricket while doing it. Just does not look aggressive enough. He needs to learn from McClenaghan, it is not about playing cricket fast, but looking like you play your cricket fast.

Seriously, other than Amla and AB De Villiers (before he goes into overdrive which is sweeps over fine leg and square leg off the quick bowlers for 6's) noone scores as quickly and as risk free as Kane. It is fours along the carpet with his pulls into mid wicket, safe elegant 4's and 6's in the V with no fuss or overt display of physical force, fours along the carpet through backward point. It just looks like test cricket and then you see the Strike Rate. He is finding the boundary a lot with elegant, low risk shots. Magnificent player.

Kohli and S Smith are absolute gems. So is Gayle to a lesser extent. Don't get me wrong. But when they Kohli and Gayle lift the tempo, they look like they're lifting the tempo. The aggression is overt. Kohli often looks like he wants to physically fight the bowlers with some of his shots. But for mine, Willaimson, Amla and De Villiers just seem so more graceful and elegant in their strokeplay. Of course, De Villiers does go into overdrive once he gets around 50, but until then.
 
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Blakey

State Vice-Captain
CaptainGrumpy said:
He's on notice that its not about scoring rates of over 100. It is looking like you're scoring at 90-100. Instead of Williamson scoring at SR 110 but looking like he is playing test cricket while doing it. Just does not look aggressive enough. He needs to learn from McClenaghan, it is not about playing cricket fast, but looking like you play your cricket fast.

Seriously, other than Amla and AB De Villiers (before he goes into overdrive which is sweeps over fine leg and square leg off the quick bowlers for 6's) noone scores as quickly and as risk free as Kane. It is fours along the carpet with his pulls into mid wicket, safe elegant 4's and 6's in the V with no fuss or overt display of physical force, fours along the carpet through backward point. It just looks like test cricket and then you see the Strike Rate. He is finding the boundary a lot with elegant, low risk shots. Magnificent player.

Kohli and S Smith are absolute gems. So is Gayle to a lesser extent. Don't get me wrong. But when they Kohli and Gayle lift the tempo, they look like they're lifting the tempo. The aggression is overt. Kohli often looks like he wants to physically fight the bowlers with some of his shots. But for mine, Willaimson, Amla and De Villiers just seem so more graceful and elegant in their strokeplay. Of course, De Villiers does go into overdrive once he gets around 50, but until then.
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Any reason you left Root off that list with Amla, AB and Kane?

To me when he scores it looks effortless.
 
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