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*Official* New Zealand in England 2015

NZTailender

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
HeathDavisSpeed said:
Well, save the ODIs for another time. Pakistan are coming over for a one day only jolly, so I'm sure Australia are capable.
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b-b-b-b-but the unwashed masses will flock to WC Final rematches rather than those boring multi day games which are just so boring
 
Bahnz

Bahnz

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NZTailender said:
b-b-b-b-but the unwashed masses will flock to WC Final rematches rather than those boring multi day games which are just so boring
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Don't be so dismissive of those unwashed masses. Without them cricket in New Zealand would likely have died a long time ago.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
NZC chief executive David White says a proposal to reduce the second series to two Tests is being discussed, making way for three ODIs leading into the World Twenty20 tournament in India.

White said adding a three-match Chappell-Hadlee ODI series would generate enormous interest in the wake of the World Cup final between the trans-Tasman rivals.

New Zealand pace bowler Mitchell McClenaghan, a limited overs specialist at international level, was torn over his support for the change.

“Obviously from a one-day point of view, I’d love to be able to play a series against Aussie but I do think the Test guys deserve longer series against the big teams in the world, to really prove themselves,” he said.

This is Mitch, who has literally nothing to gain and everything to lose from an extra Test - and he's even advocating it. Because he's a smarter man than David White is and sees the benefit for us as a major nation and that it'll be achieved through the Test arena, not some whimsical attempt to carry on the momentum from the World Cup (which any of us would argue can be achieved through the Test arena anyway). The punters who want to go to ODI cricket to drink and be merry can still do so, that won't change due to some made-up flow on effect from the World Cup.

This is the same berk (White) who purports to want to deliver a Test side that is considered for Boxing Day Tests at the 'G, longer series' against major nations...but when practicality comes to it he'd rather shoe-horn in money-spinning ODIs under the premise of continued interest and some sort of match practice for a meaningless world tournament? **** off. He might actually be every inch of the liar and piss-poor GM that Vaughan was, but is lucky to be able to hide behind a successful pair of leaders of the national side.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Spark said:
How the **** do ODIs constitute practice for a T20 world cup anyway? That makes 0 sense.
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They don't. But when you're the CEO of an organisation where your flagship side is riding the wave of public approval, you can probably say whatever you want with the knowledge it's not going to be picked apart. The media aren't looking for a carcass as they were during Vaughan's days.
 
vic_orthdox

vic_orthdox

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Sounds like they are planning some ODI only tours between the two countries anyway, so makes the extra ODIs redundant I would have thought.
 
Gnske

Gnske

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Has to be that pure technique, got arse all else going for him. Regardless, should it come to it, who to replace Bell with? Taylor is literally the only test-worthy candidate really ready apart from the ghost of KP.
 
harsh.ag

harsh.ag

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Gnske said:
Has to be that pure technique, got arse all else going for him. Regardless, should it come to it, who to replace Bell with? Taylor is literally the only test-worthy candidate really ready apart from the ghost of KP.
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Carberry, Lees maybe. Not that should happen unless something really bad goes down in the Ashes.
 
wpdavid

wpdavid

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OverratedSanity said:
I just looked it up, and Ian Bell averages 35.2 since the beginning of 2012 over 41 tests. That's incredibly poor. Basically the only good series he's had over this period is the Ashes series at home in 2013.

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Take that one series out, and he averages barely a touch over 30.
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Which is what he's averaged post 2013/14 Ashes - in home series against SL, India and NZ, and away to WI.
Others can dig out how Cook, Ballance, Root and Stokes have gone over the same period, but I'd guess that Bell is well below all of them. This at a time of life when he should be part of the bedrock of the side.

I could cope with KP replacing him for the Ashes. Something of a win-win situation, actually. If KP does well, we have more of a chance of not being whitewashed. If not, it puts that whole discussion to bed.
 
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