Prince EWS
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He averages 32 at home... and 25 at home since his recall. It's bolstered by owning Bangladesh a bit but he's done okay there.
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***Official*** England in West Indies 2015
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wellAlbidarned
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wellAlbidarned
International Coach
pick a side ffs
Yeah, but that works best in a two-spinner pairing; your accurate spinner is going to tear up because the pitches do so much for them, but having a genuine attacking spinner alongside them (i.e. an Ashwin to your Jadeja, or a Bishoo to your Benn) is mighty helpful in running through sides IMO.
Fuller Pilch
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If WI wins the series 1-0, 2-0, or 2-1, England drops to 4th behind Pakistan. If it is 3-0 to WI, England drops to 5th behind NZ.
If the series is drawn 0-0 or 1-1 England stays 3rd but would drop behind Pakistan if Pakistan beats Bangladesh. Also if England wins 2-1 or 1-0 they would drop to 4th if Pakistan whitewashes Bangladesh 2-0. If England wins 3-0 or 2-0 they will stay 3rd regardless of the Pakistan-Bangladesh result.
I hope that is clear. Whatever happens WI stay in 8th.
Thanks Ratings Predictor
If the series is drawn 0-0 or 1-1 England stays 3rd but would drop behind Pakistan if Pakistan beats Bangladesh. Also if England wins 2-1 or 1-0 they would drop to 4th if Pakistan whitewashes Bangladesh 2-0. If England wins 3-0 or 2-0 they will stay 3rd regardless of the Pakistan-Bangladesh result.
I hope that is clear. Whatever happens WI stay in 8th.
Thanks Ratings Predictor
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Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
The team composition of Windies is such that it makes it tricky either way. You want a more wicket taking option than a stock bowler, as the bowlers are weak. And then, you want a stock bowler so that the genuine wicket takers can have adequate rest. The advantage for England when they picked Giles was that they had Flintoff, and so could afford a stock bowler.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
yeah this.
It's the same as taking an accurate medium pacer in seaming conditions over an express fast bowler.
...but most teams would take both. Why bother with, say, a second spinner in seaming conditions when you can pick the accurate medium pacer and the express quick?
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Having Jerome Taylor for a two test series instead of a three test one works in favour of Windies. He doesn't seem like a bowler who can bowl long spells for too long. He is an express bowler, like Steyn. If you had Steyn bowl a lot, he might work because he is super fit, but he might break down too. Looking at the stats confirms this:
First test averages 35,
Second test averages 31
Third test averages 57
Averages nicely for the fourth test (21) but that's a very small sample size of 2 tests.
First test averages 35,
Second test averages 31
Third test averages 57
Averages nicely for the fourth test (21) but that's a very small sample size of 2 tests.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
No they're not. Not at all.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Jason Holder isn't very threatening. Averages 30 plus in ODIs and doubt he will any thing except an easy bowler to handle given his pace and from what I have seen.
Roach is okay but not amazing. Post his injury, after losing pace, he is still okay but not too special.
Taylor is fine but you don't win a lot of tests just with one real quality bowler.
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
Unless Roach has regressed significantly he's the best bowler in either side, particularly in these conditions.
Did you watch Roach bowl vs SA? He was too good for most of their top order, and unfortunately too good for his fielders.
Taylor ended the NZ series with more wickets than Southee and Boult.
Holder is likely a better third seamer than whomever England picks.
Did you watch Roach bowl vs SA? He was too good for most of their top order, and unfortunately too good for his fielders.
Taylor ended the NZ series with more wickets than Southee and Boult.
Holder is likely a better third seamer than whomever England picks.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Roach has lost pace and isn't the same bowler any more after the inury. He might improve as he is still young. He is okay but nothing exceptional at this point.
That's not relevant as I am talking about Windies bowling strength.
GotSpin
Hall of Fame Member
Roach is still a damn fine bowler. He just has consistent injury problems. You cant write him off based on his questionable Fitness but he certainly hasnt regressed.
Im against the conclusión of Benn because the West Indies is basically a spin bowler factory now. They can pick someone better who hasnt Been consistently below average their entire career, woeful With the bat, a liability in the field With a terrible attitude.
Im against the conclusión of Benn because the West Indies is basically a spin bowler factory now. They can pick someone better who hasnt Been consistently below average their entire career, woeful With the bat, a liability in the field With a terrible attitude.
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OverratedSanity
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Roach just carried a niggle in the world cup, nothing to indicate he's actually declined on quality. If he's fit, he's going to bowl well.
hendrix
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The South Africa series that i mentioned was post injury.
