1st Semi Final - New Zealand v South Africa (24th March)

[Teja.]

This is going to be a one eyed fan response but he (ABDV) has been riding his luck anyway so we deserve a bit of luck our way.

Haha yep, it's great for NZ fans but the neutrals will just feel robbed off an incredible innings by the best player in the world.

 

[biased indian]

If any one can put in more light on this... looks like there is G50 value which decides the Par score for the match before the begin of the game which has impact on how the D/L works. the 235 mentioned below looks like a very old one if it is true in the first place wonder what would be the agreed value if one is there for today 300 ?

Enter the G50 value. The G50 value is the par score as agreed by both captains at the start of a game, the G50 value is usually 235 and rarely changes unless there is a suspension before play

 

[hendrix]

DL is a ****ing awesome system, but the way innings have been built this WC is not in line with how they've been built historically. It's definitely going to cut teams with wickets in hand short a bit IMO.

What their current RR is - when this whole WC has seen cake playing out 40 (70) starts successfully - not a fair representation of what their total will be at all.

Ignores that SA has the greatest icing batsman in the history of cricket set and looking imperious. This is not your standard cricket situation.

You don't have the luxury of playing out 5 overs in a 38 overs match? Surely your joking? The fact that you have 10 wickets in hand chasing almost a 100 runs less easily allows you to play yourself in knowing the target is considerably less.

The whole point of the way cricket has been played this WC has been utilising as many overs as possible because it's difficult to defend at the death.

The longer the batsmen have to set up the innings, the better.

 

[Moss]

Poor catching by the Blackcaps and Southee failing to put pressure at the other end mans SA will mostly likely get 350. Game over.

Don't know if I blame the fielding that much tbh. The openers were dismissed soon after being let off and SA were good enough to absorb the pressure after that. The KW drop was a very tough chance. ABdV's just been too good so far. but let's wait and see. Stranger things have happened.

 

[Grasshopper]

Poor catching by the Blackcaps and Southee failing to put pressure at the other end mans SA will mostly likely get 350. Game over.

Not by a long shot.

 

[kykweer.proteas]

it's not at all. It's gifting them 50 runs.

They haven't even got above 6 an over yet.

Do you even know how cricket works?

 

[Quaggas]

DL is a ****ing awesome system, but the way innings have been built this WC is not in line with how they've been built historically. It's definitely going to cut teams with wickets in hand short a bit IMO.

SA in an Australasia WC SF leads to a fundamental revisit of the rain rules

 

[Adgey]

If anyone is questioning which side the rain helps (even though its obvious to most people), South africa have gone from about 3:1 favourties to just above 2.2:1 on most betting sites since the rain started.

 

[Contra]

The whole point of the way cricket has been played this WC has been utilising as many overs as possible because it's difficult to defend at the death.

The longer the batsmen have to set up the innings, the better.

Not considering the scoreboard pressure that will be on NZ right through the innings in a run chase, which will have to be sustained longer in a 350 run chase.

 

[Zinzan]

If any one can put in more light on this... looks like there is G50 value which decides the Par score for the match before the begin of the game which has impact on how the D/L works. the 235 mentioned below looks like a very old one if it is true in the first place wonder what would be the agreed value if one is there for today 300 ?

Enter the G50 value. The G50 value is the par score as agreed by both captains at the start of a game, the G50 value is usually 235 and rarely changes unless there is a suspension before play

Interesting, never knew of that variable.

Edit: This is all I could find;

G50 Default Values
These are the official G50 values as per the ICC operating manual for Standard Twenty20 International Match Playing Conditions ammended on 4th July 2006


For matches involving ICC full member nations, including Under-19 international matches, or for matches between teams that play first class cricket, the value of G50 to be used at present is 235. For lower levels of the game, G50 should be chosen to represent the average score expected from the team batting first in an uninterrupted 50 overs-per-innings match. For teams between associate ICC member nations, the recommended value of G50 is 190; for women’s ODIs, the recommended value is 175. For U15 internationals, the recommended value is 200. For other levels of the game, advice should be sought from the ICC.

Duckworth-Lewis.com team comments:
Apologise to everyone but this official statement still leaves plenty of ambiguity for T20 matches and it does seem like this rule was copied and pasted from the ODI manual without much thought. The latest 2007 manual is even worse because it doesn't explain any revisions of DL.

 

[hendrix]

Anyway, think I'll just wait and see what happens rather than making any more posts on this topic.

My gut feeling as well as my cricket brain is telling me that this match is in the balance, or maybe NZ slightly on top. I'm just not seeing any reason to panic.

 

[vandem]

Poor catching by the Blackcaps and Southee failing to put pressure at the other end mans SA will mostly likely get 350. Game over.

!?

All 3 of Southee's spells looked good to me, apart from slipping down legside twice to Amla in the 1st spell. Gave away 3 boundaries in 2nd spell, but one was inside edge past leg stump, and 2 good shots by Faf at a stage where you could argue that BMac had an over-attacking slip field. Has had 1 chance go down (Boult too slow at long leg) and one half chance (ABDV mis-hitting but dropping between 2 fielders.). Excellent power play over, only 5 singles.

 

[biased indian]

we have started losing overs rt? it has been 1 hour delay now

 

[JediNudist]

What happens if both days are washed out? NZ goes through cos they ended group stages at the top?

yep that's the rules. NZ finished on top of their group. SA second.NZ go through to the final if both days washed out

 

[anil1405]

Weather update guys?

 

[Pratters]

we have started losing overs rt? it has been 1 hour delay now

Yeah we have. This is just terrible. South Africa has a chance to be outdone by outdated rain rules again.

 

[JediNudist]

!?

All 3 of Southee's spells looked good to me, apart from slipping down legside twice to Amla in the 1st spell. Gave away 3 boundaries in 2nd spell, but one was inside edge past leg stump, and 2 good shots by Faf at a stage where you could argue that BMac had an over-attacking slip field. Has had 1 chance go down (Boult too slow at long leg) and one half chance (ABDV mis-hitting but dropping between 2 fielders.). Excellent power play over, only 5 singles.

I still think SA will get 350. Whats the highest total NZ chased down ? 340 odd in the chappell - hadlee ?

 

[Pratters]

Weather update guys?

Heavy showers.

 

[3703]

They should be on and playing by now. ICC rain regulations are a complete joke.

 

[Zinzan]

Anyway, think I'll just wait and see what happens rather than making any more posts on this topic.

My gut feeling as well as my cricket brain is telling me that this match is in the balance, or maybe NZ slightly on top. I'm just not seeing any reason to panic.

I don't think we're on top, but like you I'm far from panicking.

The fact 1 over is reducing every 5 mins is starting to play in our favour though, especially if SA don't get on until 6.30pm in which case I calculate them losing about 8 overs.