Furball
Evil Scotsman
You're arguing against a point I haven't made ffs.
Your Messi example is crap as he's a Spanish citizen and could have represented Spain if he chose to do so.
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Chances of a 12 team tournament in 2019?
- Thread starter Sarun
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Your Messi example is crap as he's a Spanish citizen and could have represented Spain if he chose to do so.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
No, it isn't. I understand why Rankin would like to play for England when he can - gets more opportunities to plays tests and ODIs. However, he should be allowed to play for his home country when such opportunities arise. Otherwise, how will you grow Irish cricket, if you keep taking away the best players.. and it is taking them away, regardless of who developed them.
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
Rankin was close to been released by Warwickshire before he quit Ireland. He kept on missing Warwickshire games to play for Ireland and would often come back unfit + (and this may be wrong but I don't think Warwickshire got compensated when he was absent with Ireland - unlike when a player plays for England). Not a great position for either Rankin or Warwickshire to be in.
Also the county championship isn't self sufficient . The ECB partly funds the counties because they don't break even on their own. That means that English cricket is in effect helping fund Irish cricket in that respect (although they clearly take back in other areas)
The ecb are probably reasonably happy with the way things are now. 10 or 15 county players are Irish. Take the best when they come good. If Ireland were to become a test nation and developed and had 40 or 50 players in county cricket then the ECB would have a real problem. They'd be funding Irish cricket and not reaping the benefits of the Irish players becoming 'English'.
Of course it could have some positives if Ireland were to become a decent team. England Ireland at cricket could be an extremely profitable rivalry (for the boards) if Ireland were to become good. And possibly increase the competition and standard of county cricket.
ECB have to almost decide whether they want to work with the Irish (and maybe Scottish) board and help them become a big cricketing nation - and form some kind of solid agreement between the two boards. Or keep the current situation and keep Ireland at arms length.
It'll probably come down to whether the ECB feels in the long run Ireland can make it as a test nation. Or possibly they'll do as they've done recently and look at the short term and keep cramming the schedule full of India/Australia and only look to help Ireland if playing Ireland becomes profitable.
Also the county championship isn't self sufficient . The ECB partly funds the counties because they don't break even on their own. That means that English cricket is in effect helping fund Irish cricket in that respect (although they clearly take back in other areas)
The ecb are probably reasonably happy with the way things are now. 10 or 15 county players are Irish. Take the best when they come good. If Ireland were to become a test nation and developed and had 40 or 50 players in county cricket then the ECB would have a real problem. They'd be funding Irish cricket and not reaping the benefits of the Irish players becoming 'English'.
Of course it could have some positives if Ireland were to become a decent team. England Ireland at cricket could be an extremely profitable rivalry (for the boards) if Ireland were to become good. And possibly increase the competition and standard of county cricket.
ECB have to almost decide whether they want to work with the Irish (and maybe Scottish) board and help them become a big cricketing nation - and form some kind of solid agreement between the two boards. Or keep the current situation and keep Ireland at arms length.
It'll probably come down to whether the ECB feels in the long run Ireland can make it as a test nation. Or possibly they'll do as they've done recently and look at the short term and keep cramming the schedule full of India/Australia and only look to help Ireland if playing Ireland becomes profitable.
G.I.Joe
International Coach
Confirms my suspicion that the ECB are now the most influential voice at the ICC and responsible for the recent spate of ****ty decisions. Bogey man BCCI would have been all about the extra money that the World T20 would bring in.
theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
Haven't read the article yet but I'd presume the ECB, BCCI and Aus boards have done the sums and worked out they make more playing between themeselves than spitting all the money from the T20 between more teams. And too many international T20 tournaments diminishes the importance and originality of the IPL.
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theegyptian
International Vice-Captain
I dunno but I don't see how the ECB would be that powerful. As far as I can tell the BCCI hold all the cards. All the money comes from India. I can't see what leverage the ECB would have to make India cancel a T20 tournament if they didn't want to.
They're all in it together carving up the profits for hookers and blow.
G.I.Joe
International Coach
I dunno. It's like three mob bosses got together and marked out territories. The BCCI got the increased share of revenue they wanted, the ECB got to decide formats and schedules to safeguard their interests and the Aussies - well I'm damned if I know what they got out of it.
Magrat Garlick
Rather Mad Witch
The English have soft power in the sport business. Perceived to be competent and less corrupt than the alternatives (heaven knows why).
Spark
Global Moderator
This actually makes a lot of sense tbh, under the "Giles Clarke is a ****" theory.
G.I.Joe
International Coach
I ran the numbers on my spreadsheet and it roughly works out to 2 apples, 3 oranges and a pineapple respectively, Pratters.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
If you think they are the players they are only because of the training and facilities, I dont think you are being honest either.. And we have already seen that the English national team set up can choke talented players than actually harness them... And these guys could have made money off the IPL or even country cricket as overseas pros instead of having to become eligible for England... IT has always just been a question of money, sadly...
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I am not too sure.. You are perhaps implying that they wouldn't have been good enough to come through as international cricketers without the English facilities but IMO, they would have made it to international cricket as Irish players and would have then been taken up by some counties or IPL clubs, depending on how good they perceive them to be...
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Answer: not good enough for a contract.
There's a reason associate players don't get IPL contracts and why non-EU associates don't get county contracts.
Rankin and Morgan wouldn't have played enough internationals for Ireland for a county to sit up and go 'oh he's quite good, let's give him a contract.' So they would be stuck playing club cricket in Ireland, without access to the facilities and coaching that have helped them develop into the players they are.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Moody to Atherton: Didn't you guys pinch off one of their quicks
Atherton: He is in the Lions team, so we haven't totally let him go. For people in Ireland, though, it must be galling to see some one like Rankin go.
Moody: The slight lower level of the Irish team you are talking about right now, Rankin could be the difference for that team, you know.
Atherton: He is in the Lions team, so we haven't totally let him go. For people in Ireland, though, it must be galling to see some one like Rankin go.
Moody: The slight lower level of the Irish team you are talking about right now, Rankin could be the difference for that team, you know.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
This is a great point. Did Zimbabweans like Andy Flower need English domestic player title in county cricket to succeed? Zimbabwe was a really good team in the 90s and how many of them played as non overseas players in county cricket? They did all right. Training is important but talent is more crucial and once you are at the top, you can self coach a lot of times. Exposure helps, sure, but England didn't make Rankin or Joyce or any thing. They may have improved them a bit but too much a big deal is being made out of it.