Are tons really that impressive in this era?

[Blocky]

spot the difference.

You're going to tell me Dravid wasn't deemed an ATG by 2004? Funny how by 2005 he was in the World XI.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Arguable. I considered Dravid ATG by early 2005

 

[Blocky]

Arguable. I considered Dravid ATG by early 2005

That 2002 series where he just destroyed England in England having been consistent since his debut in 1996 was validation enough for me.

 

[cnerd123]

You're going to tell me Dravid wasn't deemed an ATG by 2004? Funny how by 2005 he was in the World XI.

By 1st Jan 2003 Dravid had played 69 Tests with an average of 53

All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Understandable that he wouldn't be considered in the same league as Sachin or Gavaskar as an ATG, although he would be in running for an Indian ATXI.

2002-2006 were his best years, so he was in the process of becoming an ATG, but wasn't an ATG yet.

 

[Spark]

You're going to tell me Dravid wasn't deemed an ATG by 2004? Funny how by 2005 he was in the World XI.

"didn't have an ATG reputation" =/= "had no reputation"

 

[cnerd123]

That 2002 series where he just destroyed England in England having been consistent since his debut in 1996 was validation enough for me.

And Smith/Kohli in 2014 is enough validation for us.

 

[Noah]

You're going to tell me Dravid wasn't deemed an ATG by 2004? Funny how by 2005 he was in the World XI.

Being selected for the World XI doesn't demonstrate that you are an ATG or that you could become one. Otherwise Steve ****ing Harmison ...

 

[OverratedSanity]

That 2002 series where he just destroyed England in England having been consistent since his debut in 1996 was validation enough for me.

Ok fair enough but how is Sachin + dravid = 5 ATG batsmen? If you can convince me on this then the Bradman v sachin debate can end

 

[morgieb]

Yet the same bowlers went and beat Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka without much issue.... wonder if it had anything to do with the, I dunno, FIVE ALL TIME GREAT BATSMAN -cough- in the Indian line up at the time?

Even that's a bit disingenuous - Sri Lanka had first innings leads in all 3 Tests (granted that had more to do with the batting), plus Warne and Kasprowicz (who's better than Bichel, Williams and Bracken) were playing.

 

[Blocky]

Ok fair enough but how is Sachin + dravid = 5 ATG batsmen? If you can convince me on this then the Bradman v sachin debate can end

I stretched it a little bit - Sehwag wasn't at his best by then, Laxman was probably over-rated based on his 2001 heroics and Ganguly always polarises opinion.

Even that's a bit disingenuous - Sri Lanka had first innings leads in all 3 Tests (granted that had more to do with the batting), plus Warne and Kasprowicz (who's better than Bichel, Williams and Bracken) were playing.

Kasper vs Bichel would be an interesting argument, but not one I can be bothered with.

 

[cnerd123]

I stretched it a little bit - Sehwag wasn't at his best by then, Laxman was probably over-rated based on his 2001 heroics and Ganguly always polarises opinion.

Blocky admits he is wrong.

Didn't think I'd live to see the day.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Basically everyone sucks.

cricket.txt

 

[Blocky]

And Smith/Kohli in 2014 is enough validation for us.

That whole "consistent since his debut" thing...

 

[Blocky]

Being selected for the World XI doesn't demonstrate that you are an ATG or that you could become one. Otherwise Steve ****ing Harmison ...

Harmison on his day was class, absolute class. The problem was he was a fruitloop.

 

[cnerd123]

That whole "consistent since his debut" thing...

Kohli has had only had one bad series. Smith's been great since being a pure bat (averaging 40 smth)

 

[Blocky]

Kohli has had only had one bad series. Smith's been great since being a pure bat (averaging 40 smth)

Difference with Dravid in 2002 is that he didn't put 12 runs on his average like Kohli or Smith, because it wasn't that abnormal for him to have a series like that. In these two cases, absolutely abnormal. Smith has almost scored 40% his total runs in this series alone.

 

[BackFootPunch]

Harmison on his day was class, absolute class. The problem was he was a fruitloop.

Blocky in belittling a bloke with a mental illness shocker.

 

[cnerd123]

Blocky in belittling a bloke with a mental illness shocker.

You know how it's not offensive to make a racist joke if you are of the same race?

Probably something along similar lines.

 

[WindieWeathers]

I've been on this forum for less than a day and you're already trying to pigeonhole me as a Kohli fanboy rather than treating the points on their merit? Could you at least wait until I've been here two days before you start deciding that I have a bias (ie. blatant nationalism or being someone's cheerleader) which warrants my opinions being discounted.

After reading a few of your posts I could decided that you are simply a bitter West Indian who is desperate to cheapen the success of modern day batsmen and wants to remind everyone about how much better the cricket was in the glory days of the West Indies. However, I haven't done that because that is unfair and I think your original contention has merit and therefore I should play the point rather than the man. The least you could do is return the courtesy.

What the hell? all i said was it's ok for you to like Kohli but we disagree on the apparent "improvement" you claim to see...and AGAIN you seem to have the same struggles where comprehension is concerned as that of your buddies on this thread. I never said YOU were a cheerleader i said YOU have cheerleaders liking every comment you make...big difference.

And you've tried to be smart with the "could" line while bringing up who i support!!..nice one. But i'd hope if you do that again the mods will take note of it as i certainly wouldn't be allowed to say something like that... .

 

[cnerd123]

Yay WW is back into the attack!