Riggins
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I've never heard him speak full stop. Hard to imagine him with a classic west indian accent tbh.
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Will Chanderapul be considered an all time great?
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cnerd123
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I wouldn't say he Is selfish and batting for his average. This is just the way he bats. He sort of gets into this bubbble and focuses on the ball and blocks out the match situation and what is happening at the other hand. He is too busy concentrating to have the mental space to also think about how to farm the strike, or how to pinch runs here and there by being cheeky or unorthodox. He just faces each ball, plays the best shot for it, takes the runs, and waits to face the next ball.
It's just not a style suited to farming the strike. If he started worrying about that, he may nick off sooner.
I agree he should bat higher, and that he is a second tier ATG. But I dont think he's being deliberately selfish.
It's just not a style suited to farming the strike. If he started worrying about that, he may nick off sooner.
I agree he should bat higher, and that he is a second tier ATG. But I dont think he's being deliberately selfish.
Jono
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OverratedSanity, do you think Shiv was at fault in any of his 3 tests during that epic series he had vs. Aus in 2008?
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kykweer.proteas
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Id imagine a player that play's over 150 test matches would have more experience to handle the match situation better. Its not a new situation, how can he not have worked on a strategy after 20 years of international cricket. Does he just not care?
That said... Not many great players in the world has had to bat between an inconsistant top order and a handicapped tail end almost their entire careers, so its impossible to compare if anyone else would have done any better.
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Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Also not in anyway defending Chanders or his innings last night. Just curious.
Flem274*
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I don'tt think it's the bubble that's the problem (seen this a bit). Watling has a growing reputation for managing the New Zealand tail very well and he lives in a bubble at the crease.
cnerd123
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Chanders is a very limited batsman and not as talented as anyone else who could be classed as an ATG. It makes sense to me that he requires immense concentration each innings, to the point of not being able to give a **** about situational awareness.
Something like what Ed Cowan was describing in his latest article - where he reached a phase where run scoring was a chore and taxing and exhausting but reliable and efficient. Sort of feels Chanders is almost always in thay gear.
Something like what Ed Cowan was describing in his latest article - where he reached a phase where run scoring was a chore and taxing and exhausting but reliable and efficient. Sort of feels Chanders is almost always in thay gear.
cnerd123
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Rare bursts of expression and aggression in a mostly dour career.
IDK, I just feel that is isn't a selfish hunt for a high average that leads to this behavior, it's just a consequence of how he naturally bats. Has Chanders said anything about his style of play and why he doesn't move up or farm strike?
IDK, I just feel that is isn't a selfish hunt for a high average that leads to this behavior, it's just a consequence of how he naturally bats. Has Chanders said anything about his style of play and why he doesn't move up or farm strike?
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Jono
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I think that is a good counter to *****'s point, and you can say the same about Kallis who could up the ante when he wanted. Doesn't mean they aren't better at test cricket when they are playing their usual method though. Showing you are capable of shifting doesn't mean you trust it completely as a batsman when playing your usual way works.
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Probably not, because I didn't watch that series live, so I don't have too much context to apply to the scorecard.
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See I knew someone would say that and the fact that Chanderpaul stays not out is not the issue. The real problem is that he fails to realise when he needs to protect the tail, or atleast face a few more deliveries.
I don't think anyone who watched the match live yesterday would disagree with me that Chanders missed a trick. After Ramdin went a collapse was on the cards. The way Steyn was steaming in, it was obvious it was one of his crazy eye spells which needed blunting from Steyn. He didn't shield Holder, which I can agree with... he's ot a mug with the bat. Taylor threw it away, nothing CHanders could do after that.
But Chanderpaul just had to face more deliveries now, surely. There was no way Gabriel and Benn would keep surviving when Chanderpaul repeatedly didn't even attempt to protect them, even a bit. Just because I criticise him for being **** with the tail doesn't mean I don't think he's a great batsman. But if he bats as low down as 5 in a weak batting lineup and doesn't find a way to bat with the tail, he should cop his fair share of flak.
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And to highlight Chanders' stupidity, Suleiman ****ing Benn was trying to shield Gabriel in the first innings. Yet here's the no 5, not even thinking of attempting it.
Jono
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Have the same criticisms of Sachin in the 2nd innings of this match?
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Very slightly, but nah, the criticism he got for that knock was harsh. The situation after Dhoni got out was so hopeless that he needed the tail to bat normally and hope for a miraculous partnership. Could he have taken a bit more of the strike, yeah, maybe. But say in that game, if when Dhoni got out, we were 60-70 runs ahead, I have no doubt whatsoever that Sachin would've taken the strike a bit more to build the lead.
In yesterday's match, the game was in the balance when Ramdin was in. Even when the collapse started and 8 wickets went down, West Indies were 120+ ahead. If that isn't the time for a top order batsman to score runs I don't know what is. That's the worst part.... even 30-40 runs more would've put West Indies in a decent position. Chanders just gave up on the match completely.
African Monkey
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Exactly right. If he was or if someone was doing this for our own sides they would cop a whole heap of flak for it. I could only imagine how much criticism McCullum would cop if he batted in such a manner.
It's annoying hearing how courageous he is all the time and how the WI tail failed him despite the fact that they take the majority of the strike while Chanderpaul hides at the other end.
He's a very good player, but only cares about 1 thing and that's his average.
weldone
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You don't watch post-match presentations I assume?