Sunil Narine's action reported (not to the ICC)

[marc71178]

I hope Narine now sees the woods from the trees...forget "IPL" now and focus on your international career Sunny!!..because quite frankly we're the only ones he has left. Furthermore i see no players from the "big three" have been called yet!!...surprise surprise.

Last time this particular conspiracy was brought up it was explained that dodgy actions in England and Australia are stamped down upon before they get to top-level domestic cricket, hence no Internationals are being reported.

 

[Adders]

***** has won many admirers in his short time on CW

Dec 2009??........that's a whole 4 months shorter than you Hurricane and coming up to 5 years here. Is that still considered noob status amongst CW's elite?

I've read this thread and I know there must be some "history" but I think the way WW has been treated here is pretty piss poor IMO. The bloke has made some reasonable arguments, agree, disagree.........but from where I'm sitting there has been more playing of the man than there has the ball.

 

[Hurricane]

Dec 2009??........that's a whole 4 months shorter than you Hurricane and coming up to 5 years here. Is that still considered noob status amongst CW's elite?

I've read this thread and I know there must be some "history" but I think the way WW has been treated here is pretty piss poor IMO. The bloke has made some reasonable arguments, agree, disagree.........but from where I'm sitting there has been more playing of the man than there has the ball.

He has been AWOL for most of that time until recently.

AWTA about the WW hate. Although Adders I suspect a lot of it is button pushing to test him to make sure he can keep his cool. At least that is the best explanation of it.

 

[Adders]

He has been AWOL for most of that time until recently.

AWTA about the WW hate. Although Adders I suspect a lot of it is button pushing to test him to make sure he can keep his cool. At least that is the best explanation of it.

If that's true it's pretty uncalled for IMO.

I'm still pretty new here myself and finding my feet, and I gotta tell you on the whole this place is ****ing great........but I have noticed recently that some posters are getting a real rough ride (and I don't mean in the Jono sense everyone loves him and gives him **** just because....) but posters like WW and watson seem to get smashed every time, I get that their postings sometimes go against the grain or don't sit well with some folks...........both of them have posted stuff I don't agree with at all, but they seem to me to present their cases well and aren't posting utter gash........so debate with them not slaughter them.

And since I'm treading this dodgy territory, I'd like to pay kudos to both the aforementioned.........you handle the disparagement very well.

 

[Hurricane]

If that's true it's pretty uncalled for IMO.

I'm still pretty new here myself and finding my feet, and I gotta tell you on the whole this place is ****ing great........but I have noticed recently that some posters are getting a real rough ride (and I don't mean in the Jono sense everyone loves him and gives him **** just because....) but posters like WW and watson seem to get smashed every time, I get that their postings sometimes go against the grain or don't sit well with some folks...........both of them have posted stuff I don't agree with at all, but they seem to me to present their cases well and aren't posting utter gash........so debate with them not slaughter them.

And since I'm treading this dodgy territory, I'd like to pay kudos to both the aforementioned.........you handle the disparagement very well.

WW's first tour of duty with CW was around 2011/2012 so you may or may not have paid attention to it. he himself admits he got regularly goaded into flame wars. And he would fly off the handle quite readily. He is a normal poster now in my book although a bit quirky (which makes him interesting IMO) - if button pushing is happening it is to make sure he has improved. Button pushing is just one theory - maybe some posters just want to goad him who knows. I am just guessing here. Good on you for your post Adders.

 

[ImpatientLime]

Boorish nationalism, that's why. It's as plain as day why he gets such a rough ride.

 

[Dan]

WW, if you believe Ashwin threw in that particular game, then you're more-or-less admitting Narine also throws.
If you believe Narine doesn't throw, then you're more-or-less admitting Ashwin didn't throw in that particular game.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[Maximas]

WW, if you believe Ashwin threw in that particular game, then you're more-or-less admitting Narine also throws.
If you believe Narine doesn't throw, then you're more-or-less admitting Ashwin didn't throw in that particular game.

You can't have it both ways.

Well without commenting on what WW has said about this I don't really find this to be true, having looked at footage of both I must say Ashwin was quite blatantly chucking with a kink that vastly exaggerated Narine's action while Narine's normal action may or may not be legal but certainly not as bad as Ashwin that day IMO

 

[WindieWeathers]

Proof? I thought you were supplying the proof when you said

What the hell man. How are we supposed to prove this all a big conspiracy if we don't have the proof? God damn it!

Erm everyone saw Ashwin try to copy Narine and he even talked about it at a press conference!!..isn't that enough proof for you?

 

[WindieWeathers]

Dec 2009??........that's a whole 4 months shorter than you Hurricane and coming up to 5 years here. Is that still considered noob status amongst CW's elite?

I've read this thread and I know there must be some "history" but I think the way WW has been treated here is pretty piss poor IMO. The bloke has made some reasonable arguments, agree, disagree.........but from where I'm sitting there has been more playing of the man than there has the ball.

Thank you sir!!..fact is i've had detractors ever since i first graced these forums..but in the end my views are still analyzed by all and sundry .

 

[WindieWeathers]

WW, if you believe Ashwin threw in that particular game, then you're more-or-less admitting Narine also throws.
If you believe Narine doesn't throw, then you're more-or-less admitting Ashwin didn't throw in that particular game.

You can't have it both ways.

What i'm saying Dan is IF people are going around saying "Narine has been chucking from day one"..and then Ashwin went and COPIED Narine's action to "prove a point" doesn't that mean that Ashwin threw in that game? yet still people are making excuses for him!!..

Bottom line is if Narine "has been chucking from the start" then why wasn't Ashwin called when he copied him? now if people say Narine hasn't been throwing then fair enough..but you can't have it both ways as you say..either Ashwin blatantly threw and somehow got away with it (which would lend credibility to the "big three players" theory).. or he didn't and Narine wasn't throwing either..those are the two options imo.

 

[hendrix]

Your arguments are like watching a dog chasing its tail. Comes back to the same thing over and over.

People aren't making excuses for Ashwin. They just want to see chucking eliminated from the game. That has nothing to do with liking or disliking Narine and nothing to do with the West Indies.

 

[grecian]

FFS, unless Ashwin is a unique human-being and can totally copy someones action on sight, then this maybe the most pointless argument in CW history, and my gawd that is some statement.

Narine will be tested, now if he passes that test whine, if not STFU. Same that Ajmal supporters should shut up now.

Just repeatedly saying everyone else should be Tested because you are butt-hurt is quite frankly pathetic.

If Moeen Ali was reported then tested and found to have an illegal action, I wouldn't call conspiracy, I would say fair enough, I liked him but clearly he wasn't bowling legally, so he shouldn't have been bowling at all. All my preconceptions of him as a bowler would change because he wasn't within the rules. He wouldn't be a perfectly fine bowler, he'd be just another chucker.

Stop being childish people, you should be a fan of the game before country or player.

 

[Esperance]

Umar Gul chucked - why no hullabaloo on that?

 

[Jarquis]

I don't think anyone here would have an issue of Ashwin was to be banned from bowling like he did in that game tbh. Makes no sense to report and ban someone from bowling in a way they don't ever intend to replicate in the future though

 

[cnerd123]

Yea they should test Ashwin's 'Narine Action' and ban it if they have to, to avoid him from pulling it out in a big game sometime down the road and then getting banned for it.

What i'm saying Dan is IF people are going around saying "Narine has been chucking from day one"..and then Ashwin went and COPIED Narine's action to "prove a point" doesn't that mean that Ashwin threw in that game? yet still people are making excuses for him!!..

Bottom line is if Narine "has been chucking from the start" then why wasn't Ashwin called when he copied him?

Because Narine has been allowed to chuck his way though around 3,500 deliveries in International cricket before being called. It isn't fair on Ashwin if he only get a handful of overs in comparison, is it not?

 

[BeeGee]

This whole report and test later or report twice, ban, then test later is a bit of a mess. It all hinges on the premise that a bowlers action is either legal or illegal, or a particular delivery is either legal or illegal. It's too black and white. It's entirely possible for a bowler to bowl legally one day, but bowl illegally another day, just because they're having a bad technique day or they're tired or pushing extra hard or any number of reasons.

It's a decent tool to deal with the small number of blatantly bad bowlers, but for everyone else there really needs to be a real time, in game system for judging on a ball by ball basis.

 

[grecian]

This whole report and test later or report twice, ban, then test later is a bit of a mess. It all hinges on the premise that a bowlers action is either legal or illegal, or a particular delivery is either legal or illegal. It's too black and white. It's entirely possible for a bowler to bowl legally one day, but bowl illegally another day, just because they're having a bad technique day or they're tired or pushing extra hard or any number of reasons.

It's a decent tool to deal with the small number of blatantly bad bowlers, but for everyone else there really needs to be a real time, in game system for judging on a ball by ball basis.

It's not though, they're just asking people to reproduce what they do in match situations to what they do in Testing. Why is that so hard to work out, TBH, surely when tested they're fresh? How is it a mess it seems utterly logical, unless they're testing people after 50 overs, and even then shouldn't people be no-balled if they're ****ing up then.

For the 100th time, fair enough if the reporting is bogus then the tests will be bogus. So great let's move on. The very idea that any scientific testing won't have legal deliveries as a base is pretty preposterous BTW,

 

[Furball]

but posters like WW and watson seem to get smashed every time

There's a reason for that.

 

[BeeGee]

It's not though, they're just asking people to reproduce what they do in match situations to what they do in Testing. Why is that so hard to work out, TBH, surely when tested they're fresh? How is it a mess it seems utterly logical, unless they're testing people after 50 overs, and even then shouldn't people be no-balled if they're ****ing up then.

For the 100th time, fair enough if the reporting is bogus then the tests will be bogus. So great let's move on. The very idea that any scientific testing won't have legal deliveries as a base is pretty preposterous BTW,

I think you've missed the point of my post, probably because my post was poorly written.

It's entirely possible for a bowler to bowl legally one day, but bowl illegally another day, just because they're having a bad technique day or they're tired or pushing extra hard or any number of reasons.

I'm talking about bowling in matches, not in testing.

The point I'm trying to make is that deciding a player's action is illegal/legal, or a particular delivery is illegal/legal isn't good enough. A legal, tested bowler can still bowl an illegal delivery in a match.

When was the last time a bowler was no-balled in an international match for an illegal action?