Sunil Narine's action reported (not to the ICC)

[grecian]

I think you've missed the point of my post, probably because my post was poorly written.



I'm talking about bowling in matches, not in testing.

The point I'm trying to make is that deciding a player's action is illegal/legal, or a particular delivery is illegal/legal isn't good enough. A legal, tested bowler can still bowl an illegal delivery in a match.

When was the last time a bowler was no-balled in an international match for an illegal action?

My point is if they've just done it out of fatigue, then their action shouldn't be referred, I'd actually be happy with a verbal warning from the ump in that case..

 

[BeeGee]

My point is if they've just done it out of fatigue, then their action shouldn't be referred, I'd actually be happy with a verbal warning from the ump in that case..

So if a bowler throws a delivery because they're fatigued and takes a wicket, that's OK? They just get a verbal warning. What does the dismissed batsman off an illegal delivery get?

 

[harsh.ag]

So if a bowler throws a delivery because they're fatigued and takes a wicket, that's OK? They just get a verbal warning. What does the dismissed batsman off an illegal delivery get?

The right to get smashed in the bar later that night, while the coach looks the other way??

 

[cnerd123]

The current rules are fine, it just has to be enforced better. An umpire already has the right to call any delivery he sees as a chuck a no-ball.

Problem is, a bowler called in a match could still pass the tests afterwards, and a bowler who passes the tests could still chuck in a game.

In the short term, just make sure umpires have footage of suspected bowlers bowling during the lab tests in which they are passed. They can study this footage, and if they feel the bowler's action is deteriorating during the match they can call no-ball.

In the longterm, real time monitoring is the way to go.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Yea they should test Ashwin's 'Narine Action' and ban it if they have to, to avoid him from pulling it out in a big game sometime down the road and then getting banned for it.


Because Narine has been allowed to chuck his way though around 3,500 deliveries in International cricket before being called. It isn't fair on Ashwin if he only get a handful of overs in comparison, is it not?

Narine was tested age 21 and passed...so how the hell was he "allowed to chuck"?

 

[WindieWeathers]

There's a reason for that.

What? Please enlighten me

Traps to see my demise are brought forth daily ...but as the days roll on my presence remains.

 

[Flem274*]

until you next run away of course

 

[wellAlbidarned]

Narine was tested age 21 and passed...so how the hell was he "allowed to chuck"?

Just like ajmal was tested in 2008.

All anyone wants is Narine to see a fair process where he's actually tested and then cleared or banned based on that. He's being treated pretty poorly by the CL system and it's really not fair.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Anyway in other news!!..big cat comes out swinging!!

West Indies assessing whether to play Narine in India ODIs - Lloyd

Amol Karhadkar

October 3, 2014


Clive Lloyd, the chairman of the West Indies selection panel, has said the decision on whether Sunil Narine remains in India for West Indies' upcoming limited-overs series' will be made in consultation with the WICB "in a day or so". Narine was suspended from bowling in the Champions League Twenty20 on Thursday, and is ineligible to play in the tournament's final on Saturday.

Suggesting that corrective measures to his action, if any were needed, should have been made earlier, Lloyd questioned the timing of Narine's suspension, saying the decision could be "destroying" to Narine and affect the team's chances on the forthcoming tour of India and in the World Cup.

From October 8, West Indies will play five ODIs and a T20 against India, before three Tests. Narine's bowling ban is restricted only to the Champions League and other BCCI-run tournaments like the IPL, but it is sure to increase scrutiny on him in international cricket as well.

"We will have to take that decision in a day or so. I am very disappointed because he is an exciting cricketer," Lloyd said on Friday, at Brabourne Stadium in Mumbai, where West Indies played a warm-up game. "The point is, just like [Muttiah] Muralitharan, because your action is different, doesn't mean that you are throwing.

"We have to take a look at things and assess the situation. We don't want to make any rash decision as such. We will discuss it. The board [WICB] will probably take it from there. We will have to inform the board. We can't take decisions just like that. They have to be informed."

ESPNcricinfo understands that the decision will be arrived at before October 6, when the West Indies squad leaves Mumbai for Kochi, which will host the first ODI.

Lloyd said the WICB and the West Indies team management had been told that Narine would be under the scanner in India by a source whose identity he would not disclose. "Before we came here we were told that they were going to call Narine, so it's quite obvious that something must have been said somewhere," he said. "I really can't tell you that [who it was] but I can tell you it's a highly reliable source, because we have to make contingency plans for things like that just in case it happens," Lloyd said, adding that the West Indies cricket fraternity would back Narine.

Lamenting the timing of the suspension, "just before an important series against India and the World Cup that follows", Lloyd said he could not really understand the need to raise questions over the legality of Narine's action when "he has been bowling in the same manner" for years.

"He has been bowling over the years with the same sort of action. Now all of a sudden it has changed. What has changed, I don't know," Lloyd said. "You can't just ban him from bowling just before an important tour like this and with the World Cup coming up. It destroys the individual's ability as such and I think you may end up destroying someone's career.

"This guy has been doing well playing for KKR for the last three years. If you look at his action, he has been doing pretty much the same and I want to know what is it that has been found that they ban him and not say something like, 'Listen, you have a bit of a problem and you have to rectify it.'"

Lloyd compared the situation with that of Pakistan offspinner Saeed Ajmal, who has been suspended from bowling in international cricket. "All of a sudden, this guy [Narine] who is supposed to be one of the best bowlers around - like Ajmal for that matter, how many Test wickets does Ajmal have? - and all of a sudden his bowling action is suspect. My point is something should be done before all this comes to this point.

"It can destroy a team. You want to know if this is being orchestrated because if you lose your main bowler then it puts some pressure on the selectors and the team and so on."

Lloyd also questioned the Champions League T20 regulations and procedure, which has proven to be rather ambiguous.

"Nobody has told us anything. Nobody has written a letter. That is the thing about it. Something should be said to us. We are left high and dry. All of a sudden, the guy is not playing in a tournament he has played for the last three years. What are you then saying about the tournament then? Are you saying that the tournament has probably previously allowed people who have got bad actions to play?"

Asked if the ICC, which has been tightlipped over the issue since it doesn't govern the Champions League, should step in and get in touch with the WICB, Lloyd sad he hoped it happened soon. "I think it's wrong the way they have gone about it and I have been involved in the ICC for years [as a match referee and technical committee chief] and I think you cannot just ban a guy just like that. This is a guy who has played for us all over the world, not only in the West Indies. All of a sudden, this guy has got a suspect action. I am not happy, I would like to strongly say that."

Kumar Dharmasena, a leading umpire on the ICC Elite Panel, has been involved in three of the four cases of suspect actions being reported in Champions League. So, Lloyd said, he was not sure if that indirectly meant Narine would be reported in international cricket.

With the ICC taking a hard stance on illegal actions in the last six months, the WICB is likely to be wary. Ian Gould, another Elite Panel umpire, will be one of the match officials for the ODI series in India. Gould was among the umpires who reported offspinners Sachithra Senanayake and Ajmal, both of whom were later banned from bowling in international cricket, earlier this year.

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Wow!!..the part about them being told beforehand about a possible "call" suggests something more sinister could be at play here!! ..especially as the champions league people have yet to reach out and fully explain their "findings"..one minute "quicker ball"..next minute something else. It's great to see our guys sticking up for Sunny and hopefully Narine will get the test done IN AUSTRALIA (i don't trust the chennai one tbh..just my personal feelings) , pass it and get himself back for the tests...because quite frankly the tests are the main thing as far as i'm concerned.

 

[WindieWeathers]

until you next run away of course

Again, focus on the debate and NOT the poster. Keep trolling and i shall report you..i'm not falling for the bait anymore flem, sorry.

 

[DingDong]

i think ww has raised some valid questions. the timing of all these bans with the world cup just around the corner is very suspicious.

 

[Flem274*]

Wow!!..the part about them being told beforehand about a possible "call" suggests something more sinister could be at play here!! ..

I took it as the umpires have been told to make an assessment of his action by the ICC in the series. That's not sinister at all, that's doing your housework.

 

[Flem274*]

Again, focus on the debate and NOT the poster. Keep trolling and i shall report you..i'm not falling for the bait anymore flem, sorry.

there isn't a debate though, there's just your squawking.

 

[hendrix]

Wow!!..the part about them being told beforehand about a possible "call" suggests something more sinister could be at play here!!

No it doesn't. It suggests the opposite. It's good transparency.

 

[WindieWeathers]

there isn't a debate though, there's just your squawking.

Well debate the reasons why i'm "squawking" and not ME!!..your trolling is getting old now.

 

[WindieWeathers]

No it doesn't. It suggests the opposite. It's good transparency.

So they PLANNED to call him before he'd even bowled a ball!!..and you call that "transparency"?

 

[Flem274*]

Well debate the reasons why i'm "squawking" and not ME!!..your trolling is getting old now.

the reason you're squawking is because you're a nationalistic flag waver.

i think i'll get agreement across the board on that.

 

[Flem274*]

So they PLANNED to call him before he'd even bowled a ball!!..and you call that "transparency"?

pretty sure he has to be called in a match so if an umpire has decided after watching him on tv that he's a biffer then the umpire has to wait until he's in a game with him.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

If I ever saw WW admit he was wrong just once he'd be a fair poster. But no, why be wrong when you can just endlessly shift the goalposts. Or blatantly change facts. You just can't have reasonable debate with people like that.

 

[WindieWeathers]

the reason you're squawking is because you're a nationalistic flag waver.

i think i'll get agreement across the board on that.

Like i said i'm not falling for your bait Flem..the "flag waver" line is tedious and three years old. Bottom line is if you don't like what i'm saying you're more than welcome to ignore me. If you do plan to address me then address the point at hand and refrain from the personal jibes, otherwise like i said before you will be reported.