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***Official*** New Zealand in the West Indies 2014

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Didn't see this, what happened exactly?

Regardless, was really impressed with the little bit I saw of Brathwaite,
He missed an out swinger that pitched leg and was going to hit off. Beautiful delivery for Southee

It looked Fulton-esque, the way he got his leg in the way after the ball had missed the bat. But for some reason the umpire didn't give it. and it was umpire's call on hitting.
 

WindieWeathers

International Regular
On a different topic, I thought it was a very good innings from Brathwaite. His bloody mindedness is very impressive. He certainly has the judgement and temperament to be an opening batsman. But. That technique of his, dragging the bat around from wide of the off stump with his bottom hand when driving, is going to get him into trouble against the moving ball. He got clean bowled through the gate by Boult that way in Hamilton, and he was out again playing in a similar manner yesterday evening.

The way international cricket works is if there's a big technical flaw in your game (which I think his driving is) then opposition bowlers will ruthlessly exploit it. I'm not saying that it will prevent him from succeeding, as he has a lot of very good qualities. But I do think he's going to have work on it going forward.
Kraigg is working with Viv behind the scenes...and is also taking guidence from his hero Shiv...who when he was Kraigg's age people said his stance was "a technical flaw" but we all know how that's turned out. As Prince says the boy is just 21 and in truth who was the last opener to score a ton at test level aged 21? Cook maybe? the most important part of Kraigg's game is his defense and mental abilities...now as he goes on and gets comfortable at test level one would expect him to develop his technique and thus enhance his game in the process...i honestly think he could be another Shiv if he works hard and stays grounded.
 

WindieWeathers

International Regular
He missed an out swinger that pitched leg and was going to hit off. Beautiful delivery for Southee

It looked Fulton-esque, the way he got his leg in the way after the ball had missed the bat. But for some reason the umpire didn't give it. and it was umpire's call on hitting.
The thing is there's a big difference between the pujara incident where Powell clearly caught the ball...the Jerome Taylor incident when his heel was clearly a little behind the line and that incident you speak of...my gripe is with the 3rd umpires screwing us..i don't think NZ were screwed over there at all tbh.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
The thing is there's a big difference between the pujara incident where Powell clearly caught the ball...the Jerome Taylor incident when his heel was clearly a little behind the line and that incident you speak of...my gripe is with the 3rd umpires screwing us..i don't think NZ were screwed over there at all tbh.
But there's basically no difference between the Brathwaite appeal and the Chanders lbw in the 1st test that you moaned about as another example of WI being dicked by the umpires.
 

Zinzan

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Kraigg is working with Viv behind the scenes...and is also taking guidence from his hero Shiv...who when he was Kraigg's age people said his stance was "a technical flaw" but we all know how that's turned out. As Prince says the boy is just 21 and in truth who was the last opener to score a ton at test level aged 21? Cook maybe?
The last was fellow West Indian Barath against Australia in '09 wasn't it? I remember you were naturally & justifiably excited about him too around that time. What ever happened to him?

.i honestly think he could be another Shiv if he works hard and stays grounded.
Huge call that! In other words you honestly think he'll be an all-time great as well then? (considering few would doubt Shiv is one). Wow, the Windies will be some side in the next couple of years with both Brathwaite and Narine likely to become ATGs !
 
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hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
The thing is there's a big difference between the pujara incident where Powell clearly caught the ball...the Jerome Taylor incident when his heel was clearly a little behind the line and that incident you speak of...my gripe is with the 3rd umpires screwing us..i don't think NZ were screwed over there at all tbh.
ummm Chanderpaul LBW?

as for the 3rd umpire call, see Darren Bravo gloving the ball.
 

WindieWeathers

International Regular
The last was fellow West Indian Barath against Australia in '09 wasn't it? I remember you were naturally & justifiably excited about him too around that time. What ever happened to him?



Huge call that! In other words you honestly think he'll be an all-time great as well then? (considering few would doubt Shiv is one). Wow, the Windies will be some side in the next couple of years with both Brathwaite and Narine likely to become ATGs !
Nice bait....but it's not working.
 

WindieWeathers

International Regular
ummm Chanderpaul LBW?

as for the 3rd umpire call, see Darren Bravo gloving the ball.
I was merely bemoaning things going against us...i don't recall saying the Shiv one was on the same level as the Pujara, Clark, Roach and Jerome Taylor ones via 3rd umpire.

Also the Bravo one was 50-50...you couldn't tell if it hit the wrist band or just the wrist....the ones i listed above were clear as day imo.
 

Flametree

International 12th Man
You really need to open the other eye... the entire NZ side saw the replay on the big screen and started celebrating. One of the most bewildering calls by a third umpire I've ever seen.
 

GGG

State Captain
Still quiety confident TBH, could see them folding for another 60 runs. Get a 200 run lead then hopefully the wicket starts playing tricks.
 

Zinzan

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Nice bait....but it's not working.
Bait or fact? Considering.... 1) I vividly remember you going on and on about Barath at the time & how good he'll be & 2) You just minutes ago said you honestly think Brathwaite could be another Chanders and just weeks ago started the ATG thread about Narine. I know it all may sound like fanatical baiting, but it was you who said it all, nobody else. It's not like I'm fabricating anything.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Leave it out fellas..there were people trying to justify the Latham no ball decision so i think we can all look in the mirror.
Haha, which is exactly our point isn't it? Sometimes bad decisions get made by the umpires and you just have the cop them. But coming to the conclusion that a bad decision going against you is a part of some grand conspiracy against your side, and then writing off bad calls against the opposition as "50:50" is poor.

Seriously, here are the highlights of day 3 of the Dunedin test. The disputed call occurs around the 1:45 mark. Are you seriously telling me that the ball didn't hit the wristband of his glove?

VIDEO HIGHLIGHTS: Day 3, New Zealand Vs West Indies, 1st Test, Dunedin 2013 - Story - 3 Sport - 3 News
 

Zinzan

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Leave it out fellas..there were people trying to justify the Latham no ball decision so i think we can all look in the mirror.
Don't even think about painting others with that brush. The majority of posters here (both NZ & WI fans) are generally both fair and measured. So no, we won't all look in the mirror.
 

WindieWeathers

International Regular
Bait or fact? Considering.... 1) I vividly remember you going on and on about Barath at the time & how good he'll be & 2) You just minutes ago said you honestly think Brathwaite could be another Chanders and just weeks ago started the ATG thread about Narine. I know it all may sound like fanatical baiting, but it was you who said it all, nobody else. It's not like I'm fabricating anything.

Yeah i said Kraigg can be another shiv and ASKED if Narine COULD become an ATG...you're welcome to try and sue me :D .
 

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