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***Official*** India in New Zealand 2013/14

hendrix

hendrix

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Yeah Pujara definitely doesn't straight drive as often as Kohli but I'm not certain that that's a massive weakness and he's stronger than Kohli in other areas of his game.

Just keep rotating Southee and Boult with Wagner bowling big 10 over spells until we absolutely have to bring on Neesh and CJ
 
straw man

straw man

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hendrix said:
Southee produced absolutely unplayable deliveries to get Pujara and Sharma in Auckland.

I'm seriously astounded by the fact that we've kept Pujara and Kohli to a lesser extent quiet this series.
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Yep Pujara has been on the receiving end of three excellent pieces of bowling, plus threw his wicket away in the first innings of last match. 60 runs at 15 is ahead of only Vijay in India's top 8.

Speaking of Vijay, India seem to be in a position like us where one of the prime considerations in selecting an opener is how well they can catch in the slips. (edit: cos Vijay struggles there)
 
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hendrix

hendrix

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ohnoitsyou said:
Possibly following a move in production to china?
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Flem274* said:
then wouldn't other countries using the kookaburra have similar issues? and we've played this game in series without kookaburras.

we've either got umpires in our pockets mentally or we're intentionally helping the ball go out of shape, maybe with the bounce throws or a seam pick or something.
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Pretty sure they're still made in Australia, but look, anything can happen in terms of production.

I'm not sure they'd have control over:
a) the quality of the hides sent to the tannery
b) the tanning process that might have changed over the years

And then there's their actual manufacturing process. I'm pretty certain Kookaburras have been machine-made for years (I think Dukes and SG are still hand made), which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Of course, balls may have gone out of shape in the past, just no one gave a crap.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

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that doesn't explain why it's always the balls in nz games going out of shape far more often than in games involving other nations.

i think our ability to get a new ball is great ftr. certainly not complaining. it's the umpires job to see through whatever it is we're doing.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Arachnodouche said:
I can't remember the last time I did some umpiring from the bowler's end but I've often wondered how so called elite umpires **** up so much while it is fairly obvious to spectators from the couch (granted) what's gone on. LBs, especially...you'd think they have the best seat in the house to judge lines and height and deviations. Not sure if they are already, but umpires need to be judged for an entirely different subset of physical/CNS-related skills, in addition to a knowledge of the rules.
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I've always felt that former players were best placed to become umpires. If anyone has read a very, very good book called Bounce by Matthew Syed (former table tennis champion and now sports psychologist) where he cites an instance of a firefighter chief who hustled his men out of a building during a fire and rescue, when there was no physical sign of collapse. Minutes later, the whole place came down and would've trapped them if not for his decision. They spoke to him afterwards and he said he just had a feeling - which can be explained as visual clues and sub-conscious thoughts collected over time that added up to aid his decision, which ended up being a life-saving one.

Now that's drawing a long bow to compare that to umpiring...but I've always felt former players could have a similar premonition when it comes to dismissals/non-dismissals.

Then again, Asoka de Silva played for his country so the theory has a bit of a swiss cheese feel about it.
 
Cabinet96

Cabinet96

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Flem274* said:
that doesn't explain why it's always the balls in nz games going out of shape far more often than in games involving other nations.

i think our ability to get a new ball is great ftr. certainly not complaining. it's the umpires job to see through whatever it is we're doing.
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They probably just moan about it more than most. It helps that Southee and Boult are swing bowlers, hence if a ball isn't swinging, they want to get it changed. Australia just have Johnson charging in and hurling it down at 90 miles an hour. It's probably better for him and Australia if it's not swinging.

England are also predominant ball changers.
 
Bahnz

Bahnz

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SteveNZ said:
I've always felt that former players were best placed to become umpires. If anyone has read a very, very good book called Bounce by Matthew Syed (former table tennis champion and now sports psychologist) where he cites an instance of a firefighter chief who hustled his men out of a building during a fire and rescue, when there was no physical sign of collapse. Minutes later, the whole place came down and would've trapped them if not for his decision. They spoke to him afterwards and he said he just had a feeling - which can be explained as visual clues and sub-conscious thoughts collected over time that added up to aid his decision, which ended up being a life-saving one.

Now that's drawing a long bow to compare that to umpiring...but I've always felt former players could have a similar premonition when it comes to dismissals/non-dismissals.
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Certainly reckon that out of the current bunch Paul Reiffel is one of the best.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Bahnz said:
Certainly reckon that out of the current bunch Paul Reiffel is on of the best.
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He is, and unfortunately it'll be a battle trying to convince players after their careers, spent enduring long, hot days in the field during regular, long boring tours around the world to do it all again for 5-10-whatever years and add a handy dollop of personal abuse on top of it.

It's not a foolproof theory, just as sticking ex-players in the commentary box doesn't necessarily guarantee something above half-trained monkey. But I think of the ones like Reiffel, Chris Gaffney, Paul Wilson down this way, and Chris Brown in Auckland who are all well respected and seem to have a better affinity than the non-cricketers, who tend to come across schoolmaster-ly or have no feel for the game
 
straw man

straw man

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Cabinet96 said:
They probably just moan about it more than most. It helps that Southee and Boult are swing bowlers, hence if a ball isn't swinging, they want to get it changed. Australia just have Johnson charging in and hurling it down at 90 miles an hour. It's probably better for him and Australia if it's not swinging.

England are also predominant ball changers.
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Exactly, it's not difficult.
Ball swinging. It's a well-made ball.
Ball not swinging. There's something wrong with it. Those guys at the factory. Ya know. Broken.

Then ask politely for it to be changed, then ask the other umpire, then ask and ask again until it happens.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
_Ed_ said:
He started in the West Indies tour, didn't he? I don't remember ball-swapping being a thing in that series.
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Haha yes he did, and I'm not aware of whether Kookies are used in the Windies. It was only a wild theory, just as anything posted on the subject would be.
 
Cabinet96

Cabinet96

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straw man said:
Exactly, it's not difficult.
Ball swinging. It's a well-made ball.
Ball not swinging. There's something wrong with it. Those guys at the factory. Ya know. Broken.

Then ask politely for it to be changed, then ask the other umpire, then ask and ask again until it happens.
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Balls probably go out of shape most innings, there's just no reason to complain about it if it's talking.
 
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