*Official* English Football Season 2013-14

[mullarkey]

And adjusted to it accordingly. How is that a bad thing?

We are never going to agree on this but Giggs has been sold to a gullible public (even Looneypool fans have bought into it) as a born again Zinedine Zidane. The driving force behind this was that the English sporting press put Giggs up on a pedestal as a great paragon of virtue, a shining light for all young boys. Modest, generous, private, shy doting husband and father and the inevitable visit to an African refugee camp followed plus the obligatory handshake with Nelson. Trouble is non of it was real.

 

[mullarkey]

Well, that's not a very good analogy I'm afraid.[/QUOTEwhy not?

 

[grecian]

We are never going to agree on this but Giggs has been sold to a gullible public (even Looneypool fans have bought into it) as a born again Zinedine Zidane. The driving force behind this was that the English sporting press put Giggs up on a pedestal as a great paragon of virtue, a shining light for all young boys. Modest, generous, private, shy doting husband and father and the inevitable visit to an African refugee camp followed plus the obligatory handshake with Nelson. Trouble is non of it was real.

I couldn't give a monkeys about his private-life. Utterly irrelevant to me, not sure anyone has talked him up as a lovely bloke here either. The guy was a constant fixture though varying roles during the most successful club period in perhaps any English clubs career.

Please don't tell us how the media made us think things, many on here rail against the lionisation of British players in the media. I look at him as a clever adapting, and brilliantly successful player, who I've hated because of those things,

 

[sledger]

We are never going to agree on this but Giggs has been sold to a gullible public (even Looneypool fans have bought into it) as a born again Zinedine Zidane. The driving force behind this was that the English sporting press put Giggs up on a pedestal as a great paragon of virtue, a shining light for all young boys. Modest, generous, private, shy doting husband and father and the inevitable visit to an African refugee camp followed plus the obligatory handshake with Nelson. Trouble is non of it was real.

I don't think any of this is true to be honest. Nobody believes Giggs is anywhere near as good as Zidane, nor does anyone pretend to. Similarly, since all the business with the super injunction I very much doubt many people consider him to be a paragon of virtue either.

 

[Pothas]

This was my initial reaction as well. But then I thought of David Moyes and was not so sure.

I doubt many players, including those of relatively high profile, would be perturbed but United's poor league position, but I can see plenty being not exactly enthused at the prospect of playing under Moyes.

When Ozil joined Arsenal he strongly emphasised how the main reason he joined the club was because of Wenger. I can't picture a similar player joining Man Utd and saying similar things about Moyes. I may yet be proved wrong on this sort of thing, but when United were linked with Ander Herrera in the summer I just couldn't see it happening, simply because I couldn't imagine a player like that being especially keen to link up with a manager like Moyes. Similar to the way in which no other big clubs were linked with Moyes when they needed a manager, I can't imagine that many big players are overly keen to be linked with him either, regardless of the stature and profile that Man Utd as a club undoubtedly still has.

As I understand it Herrera was definetly ready to go, it was the fee that was the issue. I agree about Moyes, think most of us thought it about him when he took the job but I don't think it will stop the majority of players coming to United, I think the prestige of the club is enough. Players on the Herrera/ Cabaye would still surley want to make the move.

 

[Pothas]

I don't think any of this is true to be honest. Nobody believes Giggs is anywhere near as good as Zidane, nor does anyone pretend to. Similarly, since all the business with the super injunction I very much doubt many people consider him to be a paragon of virtue either.

Yeah have never heard anyone say he is that good. I do think he got a fairly easy ride in the media though, I mean imagine if Terry had done that.

 

[sledger]

why not?

Because at the time of the Glazer takeover of Man Utd the Glazers already owned a portion of the club's shares, and so had some legal authority to take out loans in the name of the club. This would clearly not be the case in the scenario you previously described.

 

[grecian]

Yeah have never heard anyone say he is that good. I do think he got a fairly easy ride in the media though, I mean imagine if Terry had done that.

An easy ride wtf, did you read the newspapers after that Welsh tart had cried about her injunction, it was constant for months. Yet as I say, couldn't give a monkeys, pretty irelevent as to how we see him as a player.

Terry was much worse over the racist stuff, which is why I dislike him, and it was on the pitch, so relevant.

 

[Pothas]

An easy ride wtf, did you read the newspapers after that Welsh tart had cried about her injunction, it was constant for months. Yet as I say, couldn't give a monkeys, pretty irelevent as to how we see him as a player.

Terry was much worse over the racist stuff, which is why I dislike him, and it was on the pitch, so relevant.

Can't say I did although obviosuly I remember the media storm at the time but it seems to have been forgotten about, I mean it is not mentioned when everyone talks about how great he is. Agree that it should make no difference to judging him as a footballer but I think others would have had it hang around them form longer.

 

[sledger]

Yeah have never heard anyone say he is that good. I do think he got a fairly easy ride in the media though, I mean imagine if Terry had done that.

I suppose the difference could be put down to the fact that prior to this incident Giggs was always held in high regard and generally well-liked, I don't think most people really enjoyed seeing him fall from grace and his dirty linen being aired in public. Alternatively, pretty much everyone in the country who isn't a Chelsea fan probably considers Terry to be a thoroughly odious rat bastard with a history of dire-sounding indiscretions, and would thoroughly enjoy seeing the boot be put in.

Mind you, having said that, I don't remember all the commotion regarding the business with Wayne Bridge's wife getting a great deal more exposure than the Giggs scandal. It probably would have blown over even quicker if it hadn't been for the whole England captaincy/international retirement of Bridge saga that ensued.

 

[grecian]

Can't say I did although obviosuly I remember the media storm at the time but it seems to have been forgotten about, I mean it is not mentioned when everyone talks about how great he is. Agree that it should make no difference to judging him as a footballer but I think others would have had it hang around them form longer.

but other than joke accounts and twitter and forums, how does his misdemeanors effect Terry's standing? He's still talked up as a great centre-half, whilst being a slow lump of **** for a couple of years. I don't really see the difference, I actually think Terry is massively more over-rated as a player than Giggs.

 

[mullarkey]

I suppose the difference could be put down to the fact that prior to this incident Giggs was always held in high regard and generally well-liked, I don't think most people really enjoyed seeing him fall from grace and his dirty linen being aired in public. Alternatively, pretty much everyone in the country who isn't a Chelsea fan probably considers Terry to be a thoroughly odious rat bastard with a history of dire-sounding indiscretions, and would thoroughly enjoy seeing the boot be put in.

Mind you, having said that, I don't remember all the commotion regarding the business with Wayne Bridge's wife getting a great deal more exposure than the Giggs scandal. It probably would have blown over even quicker if it hadn't been for the whole England captaincy/international retirement of Bridge saga that ensued.

Giggs's women were bargain basement but Terry's bit on the side was something else!

 

[sledger]

but other than joke accounts and twitter and forums, how does his misdemeanors effect Terry's standing? He's still talked up as a great centre-half, whilst being a slow lump of **** for a couple of years. I don't really see the difference, I actually think Terry is massively more over-rated as a player than Giggs.

It's very rare that anyone actually talks up Terry's ability as a player these days though. Most forms of media seem to avoid mentioning him at all unless there's no way around it. Whether this is anything to do with his various...incidents would be hard to verify though, I suppose.

 

[sledger]

Giggs's women were bargain basement but Terry's bit on the side was something else!

Another compelling constituent part of the "Giggs is overrated" argument.

 

[grecian]

It's very rare that anyone actually talks up Terry's ability as a player these days though. Most forms of media seem to avoid mentioning him at all unless there's no way around it. Whether this is anything to do with his various...incidents would be hard to verify though, I suppose.

Well I listen to Talksport, and see various Tabloid stories, and trust me he's loved amongst many.

Admittedly it's more my fault for the media I look at, but it's the populous ones TBH.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Well I listen to Talksport, and see various Tabloid stories, and trust me he's loved amongst many.

You admit listening to Talk****e?

I do listen to H and J but give the rest a wide berth now.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Because at the time of the Glazer takeover of Man Utd the Glazers already owned a portion of the club's shares, and so had some legal authority to take out loans in the name of the club. This would clearly not be the case in the scenario you previously described.

It's a bit of a joke that this thing can happen to a football club but Man Utd asked for it when they made themselves a plc.

 

[grecian]

You admit listening to Talk****e?

I do listen to H and J but give the rest a wide berth now.

I love H&J they drag me into knowing the station, the changeover with Adrian Durham is normally particularly annoying, though. I don't mind Colin Murray's show though.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

I love H&J they drag me into knowing the station, the changeover with Adrian Durham is normally particularly annoying, though. I don't mind Colin Murray's show though.

Durham does the same daily, trolls Arsenal and one other club to get a reaction. Got fed up of it years ago.

 

[mullarkey]

Another compelling constituent part of the "Giggs is overrated" argument.

you will probably not believe this but I saw Giggs make his debut for United and I saw most of his games up until about 2000 and he was my favourite player. I remember having many an argument where I opined that he was better than Georgie Best. He was young, fast, great dribbling skills, good at defending when needed scored some great goals. That's why I feel like crying when I see this jaded, tired old man trying, but failing, to impersonate the once beautiful young Giggs.