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Piers Morgan bowled Lee no score 3 bruises

fredfertang

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Saddest thing is that it is the broken rib and Warne's ridiculous platitudes that this episode will be remembered for, rather than Morgan's pathetic inability to get to square leg fast enough to avoid being hit
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
FFS. As if anything was going to happen to him the way he was kitted out.

I wouldn't like it, but I'd face Brett Lee if I was fully kitted out in modern gear.
Yeah, helmets are made of cast iron right? Batsmen these days are like Ned Kelly in full armour - never a scratch on them.

You're an odd fella.
 

Red

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Yeah, helmets are made of cast iron right? Batsmen these days are like Ned Kelly in full armour - never a scratch on them.

You're an odd fella.
What point do you want to make here? And why would they need to be made of cast iron? Whatever they're made of does the job satisfactorily.

Of course there's a risk a cricket ball will hurt you. Maybe cut your face with the helmet grill. Break a rib, arm whatever. But he wasn't in any danger of being seriously hurt.

My point was, and still is, PM mouthed off about the English batsmen. He then arranged to face similar stuff. He did it, credit to him for that. But I see no reason why Lee shouldn't have done what he did. If he bowls him a few gentle half volleys outside off, what's the point, really?

I'm aware I'm odd, but I'm not sure what's odd about my points here...
 

Tangles

International Vice-Captain
He made it harder by running to leg. You can't sway, duck or play any shots doing what he did.
 

Ruckus

International Captain
guess he shouldn't have made those comments, and/or have agreed to participate in the first place then should he? Why are you looking at one side of the coin...
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Not really. And good, it serves to prove the point that he's a loudmouthed knob. And that cricket's a tough game.

What should Lee've done. Bowled a few gentle outswingers that Morgan could take a hit at? And discredit the fact that test cricket is a brutal game?

Morgan banged on about the fact that the Englishmen shouldn't be scared of Johnson. Lee showed him what it's really like.
It's the last point that I struggle with. And I've heard it before - somehow the fact that amateurs can't cope with a professional bowling at 90mph means that the professionals who have been deemed good enough to represent their country shouldn't be expected to cope with it either. Yes Morgan is a complete knob, but this little stunt proved nothing. No idea why Lee agreed to take part.
 

the big bambino

International Captain
guess he shouldn't have made those comments, and/or have agreed to participate in the first place then should he? Why are you looking at one side of the coin...
I suppose bcos we have people like you on the tail side of the coin... Why shouldn't he make those comments? Not allowed your majesty? Takes 2 to participate. All it takes is a gullible twit and bully who knows he can't lose. Both look bad and cricket doesn't need the televised mugging.
 

Arachnodouche

International Captain
I suppose bcos we have people like you on the tail side of the coin... Why shouldn't he make those comments? Not allowed your majesty? Takes 2 to participate. All it takes is a gullible twit and bully who knows he can't lose. Both look bad and cricket doesn't need the televised mugging.
love how your posts have taken on a progressively acerbic nature on this thread. Forget cricket, televised mugging of hack polemics is what the world needs. Piers Morgan gets paid big money to act like an idiot. He got his for talking down elite sportsmen. More power to Lee.
 

the big bambino

International Captain
Mate that term (acerbic) covers a lot of meanings; some more flattering than others. But I don't really see it that way. I call it a mugging bcos that's what it was. Admittedly it didn't register until later but after seeing Lee get close by no balling and sending down some serious heat I held my breath for the fool with the bat and exhaled with relief when it finished. The klutz couldn't even defend himself.
 

Ruckus

International Captain
I suppose bcos we have people like you on the tail side of the coin... Why shouldn't he make those comments? Not allowed your majesty? Takes 2 to participate. All it takes is a gullible twit and bully who knows he can't lose. Both look bad and cricket doesn't need the televised mugging.
Why do you keep referring to it as a 'mugging' or 'running over a galah"? Both imply complete innocence on the subjects behalf. Piers knew fully well what he was getting himself into, and no doubt did it with the intention of boosting his own publicity. I can see how an argument could be made against the thing in itself as bad form of promotion for cricket (although I thought it was pretty great television), but I don't understand how you can be sympathetic towards Piers given his complete consent (and furthermore his apparent willingness to stay through the entire over instead of pulling out).
 

the big bambino

International Captain
He suffered broken bones. Ribs and maybe wrist. What else would you call it? I know he gave his consent. Just like a ginned up punter at the pub who wants to take on Tyson doesn't mean consent is fair.
 

Ruckus

International Captain
I would call it an idiotic decision on his behalf if it wasn't for the fact he knew exactly what he was doing and has received a large amount for publicity for it. In terms of his own warped motives, it was actually a pretty genius move. And once glance at his twitter feed shows you he is milking the **** out it.
 
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Tangles

International Vice-Captain
It's the last point that I struggle with. And I've heard it before - somehow the fact that amateurs can't cope with a professional bowling at 90mph means that the professionals who have been deemed good enough to represent their country shouldn't be expected to cope with it either.
It's been lost to some extent that the English tail should have been able to do more than they have against MJ. I'm not saying its easy but fans expect professionals to show more grit. I remember Merv copping a short ball barrage against WI but surviving because his team needed someone to support the batsman at the other end. It's hard but fast bouncers are less dangerous to your wicket than fast and hitting off.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
It's been lost to some extent that the English tail should have been able to do more than they have against MJ. I'm not saying its easy but fans expect professionals to show more grit. I remember Merv copping a short ball barrage against WI but surviving because his team needed someone to support the batsman at the other end. It's hard but fast bouncers are less dangerous to your wicket than fast and hitting off.
Yes, I completely agree. We could all think of times when a tail ender has done exactly what you've described, and it can make a significant difference to the total. Throw in the fact that Broad, Swann and Bresnan are all supposed to be able to bat a bit, and it make what we've seen even worse.

Looking back, I didn't word my previous post at all well. I was trying to counter the line we hear when people who aren't professionals criticise the guys who do it for a living. Then the professionals somehow think it's reasonable to ask the amateurs how they'd get on against this stuff, which is completely irrelevant. Like you were saying about our lower order, I'd just like to see them do their job rather than have a pop at others who aren't remotely equipped to do it.
 

Burgey

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Interesting point re professionals not expecting amateurs to cope with fast bowling, and it's not unreasonable.

It's like the mirror image of the "Isn't Warner/ Rooney/ Gallen/ Franklin a dumb ****?" Well yeah, he's not paid to write equations, he's a professional sportsman.

Though sportspeople cop that criticism about their intelligence a lot more often than they get to grab an amateur punter and make them face up to some fast bowling.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
What point do you want to make here? And why would they need to be made of cast iron? Whatever they're made of does the job satisfactorily.

Of course there's a risk a cricket ball will hurt you. Maybe cut your face with the helmet grill. Break a rib, arm whatever. But he wasn't in any danger of being seriously hurt.

My point was, and still is, PM mouthed off about the English batsmen. He then arranged to face similar stuff. He did it, credit to him for that. But I see no reason why Lee shouldn't have done what he did. If he bowls him a few gentle half volleys outside off, what's the point, really?

I'm aware I'm odd, but I'm not sure what's odd about my points here...
Because your assertion seemed to be that in this day and age, facing up to a fast bowler is basically stress-free given modern equipment. Very far from it. I'm definitely not in the camp of 'oh lord think of the children, he could have died' etc but of course he could've been seriously hurt. Langer v Ntini a few years ago, knocked out with a helmet on. Vermuelen and Tudor, hit through the visor. Ribs/lungs/kidneys etc are exposed to a guy bowling 135-140 well over the front crease (unsure whether they were newish balls).

I'm not arguing the fact Lee had to give him a couple, in fact I led that argument initially. But 5...and well over the front crease which makes it a nonsense in itself.

Plus you went on to criticise Warne and say he offers little or no pertinent points or insights, and I think you declared him the worst in the box. IAN HEALY
 

andyc

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Just met Ian Chappell for 1st time. 'Hi, Mr Chappell, I'm Piers Morgan,' I said. 'Nah mate, you're a dickhead,' he replied. Meeting over!
 

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