ohnoitsyou
International Regular
cause you will get wickets trololol
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***Official*** West Indies in New Zealand 2013/14
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hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
Every time I get excited about Sodhi I remember the fact that every leg spinner - even at 3rd grade club level - is going to produce a good delivery every now and again.
Lots to work with but call me in a couple of years tbh.
Flem274*
123/5
@ Hendrix: I agree, but introducing the young spinner when the West Indies have a lot to lose and not much to gain was a good move and allows Sodhi to settle in. It was good work from Samuels to see through the plan and back himself to really take Sodhi to the cleaners and gain some quick runs.
CharlesLara
U19 12th Man
Hmm interesting tactics. Re: Ish, like most things at Test level, or First Class, its not what you do well, but how consistently you can produce balls in the right area, and as someone that is a leg spinner myself, who has trained alongside Ish before, its a trait gained (with leg spin that is) from just bowling and bowling and bowling. Now was Ish maybe picked a but early, yeah I would say thats a fair point and you can definitely argue that his performance in the Tests are not surprising given his FC record. Ish IMO still needs to find that holy grail of consistency that is the hallmark of good leg spinners, because expecting a 21 year old leggie (arguably, obviosuly I'm bias, the hardest craft in cricket) to learn his trade in the most unforgiving stage that is Test Cricket is probably the tallest order of all if you compare it to batsman etc. as for a leggie, when it goes wrong, IT GOES ALL THE WAY WRONG and even the ****test club cricketer will question your ability (lol).
As a leggie, it can be a lonely, lonely existence and there needs to be a degree of patience with how Ish is handled. Leggies are somewhat confidence players, and from the first ball that Ish bowled today, you already knew how this spell would pan out. Once he's at the point where he can bowl what he wants when he wants, coupled with the belief then he'll be ready.
I'm also of the opinion, that you pick your bowlers most likely to produce 20 wickets in said conditions, and that after a solid (performing well more often than not) FC season he should be played in favourable conditions or at home grounds where he had success, as an introduction. The last thing NZ cricket needs, and Ish for that matter, is an Ashton Agar situation where picking on potential does more harm than good.
As a leggie, it can be a lonely, lonely existence and there needs to be a degree of patience with how Ish is handled. Leggies are somewhat confidence players, and from the first ball that Ish bowled today, you already knew how this spell would pan out. Once he's at the point where he can bowl what he wants when he wants, coupled with the belief then he'll be ready.
I'm also of the opinion, that you pick your bowlers most likely to produce 20 wickets in said conditions, and that after a solid (performing well more often than not) FC season he should be played in favourable conditions or at home grounds where he had success, as an introduction. The last thing NZ cricket needs, and Ish for that matter, is an Ashton Agar situation where picking on potential does more harm than good.
CharlesLara
U19 12th Man
I think he peaked last season, and is now trying to do too much as someone else mentioned. I thought he played his role at home against England well, dude to being consistently there and there abouts. Problem is though, we are so short in terms of international ready / talent who else is there to viably replace him with that isn't a failed Black Cap from the last 2 years?
On another note, unless you ND or Otago, good luck making this side, you have to be Ross Taylor otherwise lol
ohnoitsyou
International Regular
RE Wagner, didn't he used to be really good for the two years he topped the wicket taking tables. So why is he so **** now
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
Anderson doing so well asks 2 questions:
1. Is Neil Wagner the right option as third seamer? Answer probably no.
But the second question is more interesting:
2. Can we afford to lose his bowling when Ryder returns? That is a huge question given we will need to take 20 wickets against some very good Indian batsmen in the new year. Ryder simply has to slot back in the team. Will McCullum be forced to open again?
1. Is Neil Wagner the right option as third seamer? Answer probably no.
But the second question is more interesting:
2. Can we afford to lose his bowling when Ryder returns? That is a huge question given we will need to take 20 wickets against some very good Indian batsmen in the new year. Ryder simply has to slot back in the team. Will McCullum be forced to open again?
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
For Christ's sake. Earlier this week you were bigging him up. Make your mind up.
Flem274*
123/5
Probably a combination of being used in a different role than he is used for Otago and not having Wellington to feast on.
Hm, first class record against each opponent shows an average under 30 against everyone except ND tbf.
He should be a better bowler now than he was before because Bond fixed his seam position, but he really has lost everything else in this series. What suprises me is he is known for pairing genius (5 in 5 for example) with filth, but so far we've had filth mixed up with persistent toil and some lucky wickets.
Hm, first class record against each opponent shows an average under 30 against everyone except ND tbf.
He should be a better bowler now than he was before because Bond fixed his seam position, but he really has lost everything else in this series. What suprises me is he is known for pairing genius (5 in 5 for example) with filth, but so far we've had filth mixed up with persistent toil and some lucky wickets.
Flem274*
123/5
Why?
If Anderson provides more value than Ryder through runs and wickets, then having Jesse as first cab off the rank to keep the pressure on the middle order can only be a good thing. McCullum was only getting worse as an opener and I'd rather bring in Raval if Fulton or Rutherford fail.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
watched him against pakistan and some of his balls to the left handed opener were unplayable,
which building are you in
I get that feeling he is all about confidence as well. thanks for your insights here,
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hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
Ryder has to come back because he's objectively a better batsman than McCullum. I don't think anyone in NZ - including Hesson and McCullum - would deny that.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
I don't think he could be any worse if he was on the take.
No balls, and no consistent groupings,
Flem274*
123/5
why should an opener be punished for this?
and if ryder comes back in cbf mode i wouldnt want him in the team anyway
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