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hehehehe you put a t in front of Watto!
**** sake.
**** sake.
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*Official* Fourth Test at Chester-le-Street
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Furball
Evil Scotsman
Yeah it's absolute nonsense. England's batsmen could have done much better but that would be dependent on Australia's quicks forgetting how to bowl.
Most batsmen in history do worse than their career average when they come up against very good bowling.
Maximas
Cricketer Of The Year
Our batting is Clarke, yet he has underperformed for the most part, dunno how you can say Australia performing at 100%
Cabinet96
Hall of Fame Member
If Alastair Cook and Jonathan Trott only ever faced high quality seam bowling in England, with their technical faults and weak areas exposed regularly by disciplined attacks and well set out and executed plans, I wouldn't expect their career averages to be anywhere near as high as they are.
That's not even the full point though. You can't on the one hand say that England aren't at full percent because a couple of batsman aren't doing as well as they usually do, when the opposition have a batsman who was scoring double centuries for fun against South Africa less than a year ago yet has only made two fifty plus scores this series.
That's not even the full point though. You can't on the one hand say that England aren't at full percent because a couple of batsman aren't doing as well as they usually do, when the opposition have a batsman who was scoring double centuries for fun against South Africa less than a year ago yet has only made two fifty plus scores this series.
dermo
International Vice-Captain
kills me to see this
Cooky Monster
U19 12th Man
Im gonna have to read back now!.
Oz have bowled well but that doesn't mean you can't say England have batted badly, they have, i really do believe England as a team have only been in 3rd gear this series, compare England to the England of 2 years ago, thats the standard, we see it in patches here and there now but no-where near as consistant as we were back then, still the same players pretty much.
Whats won England this series is 2 outstanding performers in Bell and Swann and a few random outstanding performances from other players, the team really hasn't gotton out of 3rd gear but thankfully it hasn't mattered, no way is this Englands level, theres plenty more in the bank, hopefully we'll see it down under again.
Flame away.
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Cooky Monster
U19 12th Man
Just saying it how i see it, i guess things can be percieved in different ways online, just think England haven't played nowhere near their best.
Im as far from an arrogant person as you can get, arrogance is one of the worst human traits.
Cooky Monster
U19 12th Man
I don't see a reason why they shouldn't be, pretty much the same team and we have seen it in patches in the last 2 years, just not as consistant as back then.
Yeah i'd agree with this, we'd have streamrolled the pish we have played in the last 12 months if we were as good as the team 2 years ago.
Tangles
International Vice-Captain
I was hoping for more from Clarke but I was underestimating the loss of Hussey. We are down to Clarke as the only class bat which allows the opposition to know that they only have to be really on for 1 batter. I also think this is the series where it's dawned on Clarke that its him or bust. Only time will tell if he has the mental strength to keep pouring out runs and be captain. Makes me think of Lara as a great bat who couldn't lead and plunder in a team with no help. Clarkes a better captain but its alot of pressure to be captain and lynchpin. We really need some guys to start consistently putting runs on.
Spark
Global Moderator
Were we - by which I mean some Australian fans - this hubristic back in the day? Because seriously...
Here's a hint. Your top order hasn't performed to its capabilities because it has not been allowed to perform to its capabilities. Concentrating slightly harder probably would not have made that big a difference, and as for this tripe that England is only a bit of payin' attention away from beating all and sundry, christ...
Here's a hint. Your top order hasn't performed to its capabilities because it has not been allowed to perform to its capabilities. Concentrating slightly harder probably would not have made that big a difference, and as for this tripe that England is only a bit of payin' attention away from beating all and sundry, christ...
Yeah, because people have said that if England concentrate more they would beat anyone. That's not bollocks at all is it. You lot really enjoy arguing against straw men don't you, suppose its easier than actually engaging in some real debate.
And yes, Australians were arrogant about your cricket team - although you certainly had a right to be.
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GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
I don't know why all of a sudden people seem to have to sit on a certain side of the fence as to who is responsible for certain players' output. Can't we acknowledge that Harris & Siddle have been very good, with good contributions from the rest of the bowlers, but at the same time be disappointed that our batsmen have not found a way to get through it?
Quite frankly what side is ever 100% hitting their straps? Yes to call it 3rd gear is silly but there is room for improvement. Cook doesn't concern me, Trott probably does. Bairstow doesn't cut the mustard and Root may be better down the order. Prior has absolutely under performed.
Alas it's true that you can't expect Bell to average 70 every series and that does compensate for other failings. But the idea that either side should just accept 'well it was good bowling' is absurd.
I just think a lot of people need to calm down and/or convey their opinions better. I do believe we should have scored more runs, in particular the first innings of the last couple of tests. Is that hubristic? I don't think so. England haven't been at their best, but neither have Australia.
Quite frankly what side is ever 100% hitting their straps? Yes to call it 3rd gear is silly but there is room for improvement. Cook doesn't concern me, Trott probably does. Bairstow doesn't cut the mustard and Root may be better down the order. Prior has absolutely under performed.
Alas it's true that you can't expect Bell to average 70 every series and that does compensate for other failings. But the idea that either side should just accept 'well it was good bowling' is absurd.
I just think a lot of people need to calm down and/or convey their opinions better. I do believe we should have scored more runs, in particular the first innings of the last couple of tests. Is that hubristic? I don't think so. England haven't been at their best, but neither have Australia.
GotSpin
Hall of Fame Member
I think I'll always hold a bit of a grudge against Hussey for the timing of his retirement