*Official* Road to 2013 Ashes

[Spikey]

I'm sorry bud but the mob has spoken - Bird forever Siddle never

 

[Ruckus]

What's trent bridge like usually for spinners? Do we really need to play lyon, especially if we have some better than decent part-time spin options if Smith plays. If Lyon didn't play we could go in with 4 quicks, and it would solve this dilemma - any combo of Pattinson, Siddle, Harris, Bird, Starc would be a solid attack. I just really fear what's going to happen if its Starc, Pattinson and Siddle. If they lose their radars, we are ****ed. There aren't enough steady options in there to hold it together if that happens.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

What's trent bridge like usually for spinners? Do we really need to play lyon, especially if we have some better than decent part-time spin options if Smith plays. If Lyon didn't play we could go in with 4 quicks, and it would solve this dilemma - any combo of Pattinson, Siddle, Harris, Bird, Starc would be a solid attack. I just really fear what's going to happen if its Starc, Pattinson and Siddle. If they lose their radars, we are ****ed. There aren't enough steady options in there to hold it together if that happens.

Usually not the best for spinners, Swann has a crap record there despite it being his home ground but he got a 10fer at Headingley earlier this season so that tells you all you need to know. The pitches will be dry and will turn.

 

[hendrix]

Murali and Warne have done well there, but I suppose that's not saying much.

Pretty sure Panesar has at least one bag there.

 

[Ruckus]

hmm yeah well I don't think it would be the worst idea to pick a 4 man pace attack with Starc. If the conditions are really conducive to swing, he could be a real game changer. It's just the times in between that he could damage us, but in a 4 man attack it wouldn't be an issue. Having an attack of say Pattinson, Siddle/Harris and Starc in it would make for a very good tail as well. Guess it's gonna come down to the pitch and conditions on the day...although Lyon being omitted probably won't even be considered even if it's ideal for pace bowling.

 

[LegionOfBrad]

Judging by the weather forecast that's coming up for next week (Heatwave) the ball is not likely to swing as much as normal.

 

[Adders]

Judging by the weather forecast that's coming up for next week (Heatwave) the ball is not likely to swing as much as normal.

Depends if there is cloud cover with the heat....if there is the ball could be hooping round corners.

 

[hendrix]

hmm yeah well I don't think it would be the worst idea to pick a 4 man pace attack with Starc. If the conditions are really conducive to swing, he could be a real game changer. It's just the times in between that he could damage us, but in a 4 man attack it wouldn't be an issue. Having an attack of say Pattinson, Siddle/Harris and Starc in it would make for a very good tail as well. Guess it's gonna come down to the pitch and conditions on the day...although Lyon being omitted probably won't even be considered even if it's ideal for pace bowling.

Well, there was a whole thread about it and the consensus seemed to be that Lyon should play.

You do have a point about Starc being perhaps more of a specialist swing bowler than the others on offer. And yeah, he does offer a bit of variety. Pattinson is quite similar to Harris, and while Bird and Siddle aren't exactly the same, they do both operate by trying to get just a hint of swing or seam and focus more on line and length. Starc is more of a hooper.

Basically if Starc plays I think it's more likely to be at the expense of Harris (and Bird). Pattinson and Siddle and Lyon are relatively firm picks in the selectors' minds from what I can tell.

 

[Spark]

Depends if there is cloud cover with the heat....if there is the ball could be hooping round corners.

Would be a strange heatwave to be associated with cloud cover.

 

[Burgey]

hmm yeah well I don't think it would be the worst idea to pick a 4 man pace attack with Starc. If the conditions are really conducive to swing, he could be a real game changer. It's just the times in between that he could damage us, but in a 4 man attack it wouldn't be an issue. Having an attack of say Pattinson, Siddle/Harris and Starc in it would make for a very good tail as well. Guess it's gonna come down to the pitch and conditions on the day...although Lyon being omitted probably won't even be considered even if it's ideal for pace bowling.

I think it's the worst idea since the square wheel. A four man pace attack means a five man pace attack because of Watson. It's stupid. Jog on.

Judging by the weather forecast that's coming up for next week (Heatwave) the ball is not likely to swing as much as normal.

Heat wave = 20 degrees doesn't it?

 

[NUFAN]

I'm not advocating excluding Lyon at all but I don't really expect Watson to do much at all with the ball. I would have his line at 6.5 wickets for the series.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Judging by the weather forecast that's coming up for next week (Heatwave) the ball is not likely to swing as much as normal.

Bresnan for Finn then?

Will reverse once the ball scuffs up on the hard surface. TB swings all the time anyway really, more than other grounds over here at least.

 

[Ruckus]

A four man pace attack means a five man pace attack because of Watson.

Na it doesn't. The 4th pace bowler for me would be Starc, who provides something very different to the other bowlers (which Watson doesn't). Watson also can't, and shouldn't, have to cover the amount of overs a 4th pace bowler would. In a fairly injury prone attack, it would mean overs could be shared around more amongst the front-line bowlers, and Watson ideally wouldn't have to be used at all and could focus solely on his batting. I personally would just prefer a three man pace attack without Starc, but if it was a choice between a three man attack with Starc vs a 4 man attack minus Lyon, then it would be pretty tempting.

 

[uvelocity]

Heat wave = 20 degrees doesn't it?

incidentally the temp it was here today. brrr

 

[Burgey]

So 30 degrees forecast for the entire game and we play four quicks plus Watson, and with Warner unlikely to play and Clarke's back rooted there's not even a part time spinner unless the People's Champion plays?

It'll end up like the Oval in 09. A shambles.

 

[Expressway76]

Heat wave = 20 degrees doesn't it?

Going by the ****house summers we've had for the last few years yes but it's forecast for 28C which is almost death valley conditions these days. Spin will have a big part to play in this series if it stays as dry as it has been.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Going by the ****house summers we've had for the last few years yes but it's forecast for 28C which is almost death valley conditions these days. Spin will have a big part to play in this series if it stays as dry as it has been.

Spin played a part in the NZ series when it was cold and wet so bound to have a say if it hot and dry.

 

[Dan]

Going in without Lyon is a ridiculous notion. So incredibly ridiculous it is not worthy of debate.

 

[AlanJLegend]

Going in without Lyon is a ridiculous notion. So incredibly ridiculous it is not worthy of debate.

Agreed. Absolutely ludicrous idea.

 

[Ruckus]

Going in without Lyon is a ridiculous notion. So incredibly ridiculous it is not worthy of debate.

Ok, thanks Adolf