The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Satyanash89]

What would your ATG Ashes XI look like?

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman*
Hammond
Chappell
Miller
Gilchrist +
Warne
Lillee
Barnes
McGrath

Heavily Australian, but hey, can you blame me?

Botham's got to be in there for his early Ashes exploits... would have him in there for Lillee...

 

[Coronis]

To clarify, when I say Ashes, I just mean a team made of Aussie/English players. Can't really see a reason for putting in Botham over Lillee, the team already has great batting depth with Miller/Gilchrist/Warne.

 

[Satyanash89]

To clarify, when I say Ashes, I just mean a team made of Aussie/English players.

Fair enough then

 

[Dan]

My nostalgia-filled Ashes XI

Hobbs
Jackson
Bradman*
Compton
McCabe
Hammond
Miller
Evans +
Larwood
O'Reilly
McGrath

That batting

 

[Prince EWS]

My nostalgia-filled Ashes XI

If even you think something is nostalgic enough to warrant a disclaimer, then oh my. Do I even want to read what follows??

 

[Red]

My nostalgia-filled Ashes XI

Hobbs
Jackson
Bradman*
Compton
McCabe
Hammond
Miller
Evans +
Larwood
O'Reilly
McGrath

That batting

Same theory but Aus/Eng sides. Watchability is key in selection here:

- Jackson
- Trumper
- G. Chappell
- McCabe
- Miller
- Kippax
- Tallon
- Lindwall
- Warne
- Lillee
- Mailey


- Hobbs
- Ranji
- Gower
- Hammond
- Compton
- Woolley
- Botham
- Evans
- Larwood
- Trueman
- Barnes

 

[harsh.ag]

My nostalgia-filled Ashes XI

Hobbs
Jackson
Bradman*
Compton
McCabe
Hammond
Miller
Evans +
Larwood
O'Reilly
McGrath

That batting

Not trying to be a prick, genuinely curious here, how do you have nostalgia about players you have never seen play?!

 

[Satyanash89]

Not trying to be a prick, genuinely curious here, how do you have nostalgia about players you have never seen play?!

Same question

 

[Red]

Not trying to be a prick, genuinely curious here, how do you have nostalgia about players you have never seen play?!

Can't answer on his behalf, but there is footage of most of those players available. Also, written word can paint a picture.

 

[kyear2]

Ashes XI

Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
Don Bradman *
Greg Chappell ^
Wally Hammond ^
Adam Gilchrist
Keith Miller (5)
Shane Warne (4) ^
Syd Barnes (3)
Denis Lillee (2)
Glen Mcgrath (1)

S.C XI

Sunil Gavaskar ^
Vijay Merchant
Kumar Sangakkara ^
Sachin Tendulkar
Javed Miandad ^
Mushtaq Mohammad (5)
Farokh Engineer
Imran Khan (2) *
Wasim Akram (3)
Waqar Younis (1)
Muttiah Muralitharan (5)

ROW XI

Barry Richards
Gordon Greenidge
George Headley
Viv Richards ^
Brian Lara ^
Garry Sobers (5) ^ *
Clyde Walcott +
Richard Hadlee (3)
Malcolm Marshall (1)
Hugh Tayfield (4)
Curtly Ambrose (2)

Who wins?

 

[Coronis]

Ashes, I'd say. S.C has slightly weaker batting and ROW has slightly weaker bowling imo.

 

[Pothas]

Marshall, Ambrose and Hadlee best seam attack of the lot though I would say.

Mushtaq Mohammad a little of of place as well, given the stature of the other players in these sides.

 

[kyear2]

Really would replace Tayfield with Holding, Garner or Procter, but know most people here likes to have spinners in their teams.

 

[Coronis]

Marshall, Ambrose and Hadlee best seam attack of the lot though I would say.

Mushtaq Mohammad a little of of place as well, given the stature of the other players in these sides.

No arguments here, but Tayfield is really nothing special when the other teams have Warne and Murali, not to mention Barnes (who I envision as O'Reilly-like, perhaps faster). Mushtaq, compared with Miller and Sobers does seem kinda out of place, but who else is there? S.C has a keeping edge though :P

 

[Pothas]

Would probably just play the 4 bowlers and have Dravid.

 

[harsh.ag]

S.C XI

Sunil Gavaskar ^
Vijay Merchant
Kumar Sangakkara ^
Sachin Tendulkar
Javed Miandad ^
Mushtaq Mohammad (5)
Farokh Engineer
Imran Khan (2) *
Wasim Akram (3)
Waqar Younis (1)
Muttiah Muralitharan (5)

ROW XI

Barry Richards
Gordon Greenidge
George Headley
Viv Richards ^
Brian Lara ^
Garry Sobers (5) ^ *
Clyde Walcott +
Richard Hadlee (3)
Malcolm Marshall (1)
Hugh Tayfield (4)
Curtly Ambrose (2)

Who wins?

ROW wins from your teams.

SC XI

Gavaskar | Sehwag | Dravid | Sachin | Miandad | Sangakkara (w) | Imran | Wasim | Bedi/Kumble | Murali | Waqar |

ROW XI

Barry | Headley | Viv | Pollock | Lara | Sobers | Waite (w) | Hadlee | Marshall | Tayfield | Ambrose

Still ROW wins

 

[kyear2]

How about Garner/Holding over Tayfield?

 

[Gowza]

1 Jack Hobbs
2 Barry Richards
3 Don Bradman
4 Brian Lara
5 Viv Richards
6 Garry Sobers
7 Adam Gilchrist
8 Mike Procter
9 Richard Hadlee
10 Malcolm Marshall
11 Shane Warne

wasn't sure on lara ahead of tendulkar, chappell and pollock but he pipped the rest for his consistency across the world, ability to dominate, ability to bat long innings, ability to save the team and being one of the greatest against spin.

hadlee was a toss up between him and waqar, donald or lillee but hadlee made it for being the better overall cricketer, an all time great fast bowler who can bat quite well, pretty much bowled well everywhere except in pakistan.

warne like hadlee made it over murali due to his all around cricket on offer. one of if not the best spinner ever, can bat a bit and a great slipper.

maybe swap procter for waqar.

 

[kyear2]

Marshall, Ambrose and Hadlee best seam attack of the lot though I would say.

Mushtaq Mohammad a little of of place as well, given the stature of the other players in these sides.

Don't think Mushtaq is that out of place, average of 40 as a batsman and a good leg spinner with an average similar to the other specialist S.C leggies.

 

[harsh.ag]

How about Garner/Holding over Tayfield?

Nah, kyear,a spinner like Tayfield provides a whole new dimension to the attack that neither Holding, nor Garner can match.

But I think you are wrong about having Mushtaq Mohammad in the side. If you want a spinner-allrounder, then Vinoo Mankad is a much better choice at the expense of Bedi or Kumble. Both Mushtaq and Vinoo bowled in 70 innings (57 tests for Mushtaq, and 44 tests for Vinoo), and Mushtaq fetched only 79 wickets compared to Vinoo's 162 wickets. Mushtaq was a better batsman, but I think Vinoo will add more to the side (he scored 2109 runs, averages 31.47 with 5 centuries, a highest of 231).