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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

Satyanash89

Banned
Debuted after Tendulkar, retired before him XI

Hayden
Anwar
Dravid
Lara
Inzamam
Gilchrist (wk)
S. Pollock
Warne
Murali
McGrath
Donald
Wow, you can quote all the stats you want but that right there shows Tendulkars greatness. Astonishing longevity.. really hope he manages to turn it around and end on a high... if anyone deserves to ride off into the sunset its him :(
 

AndyZaltzHair

Hall of Fame Member
Sticky XI

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Herbert Sutcliffe
3. Victor Trumper
4. Neil Harvey
5. Stanley Jackson (5)
6. VVS Laxman
7. Syed Kirmani †
8. Hedley Verity (3)
9. Anil Kumble (4)
10. Bill O'Reilly (2)
11. Sydney Barnes (1)

Includes some hunch picks.
Good idea. My take on sticky XI-

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Herbert Sutcliffe
3. George Headley
4. Herbie Taylor
5. Victor Trumper
6. Les Ames+
7. Monty Noble
8. Hedley Verity
9. George Lohmann
10. Fred Spofforth
11. Sydney Barnes
 

Spooony

Banned
Sutcliffe
Hutton
Bradman
Kallis
S Waugh
Chanderpaul
Gilchrist
Thomas Richardson,
George Lohmann
Malcolm Marshall
Mendis
 

AndyZaltzHair

Hall of Fame Member
Underwood was unplayable on wet wickets from what ive read
Yeah he was a monster on wet wickets, just misses out

Not a classical spinner, Underwood bowled at around medium pace and was often unplayable on seaming English wickets, particularly sticky wickets, earning his nickname 'Deadly', and accounting for the saying that England would "carry Underwood like an umbrella, in case of rain".
 
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Dan

Hall of Fame Member
Sticky Wicket XI

1. Len Hutton
2. Jack Hobbs
3. George Headley
4. Neil Harvey
5. Stan McCabe
6. Monty Noble
7. George Hirst
8. Jack Blackham
9. Hedley Verity
10. Derek Underwood
11. Sydney Barnes

12. VVS Laxman

Hutton's 62* at the Gabba in the early 1950s (year escapes me) was one hell of a knock on a terrible pitch, so he gets in solely based on that. Hobbs had a fantastic technique and was described as playing well on tough pitches. Similarly, Headley's reputation on sticky wickets is well renowned.

Harvey seems like a good player to be able to adjust to poor conditions, and if in doubt McCabe is included to hit out - if he comes off, he's turned the game; if not, it's another batsman back in the shed. But McCabe always came off when he was needed. Monty Noble comes in as an all-rounder used to that style of pitch.

Hirst's "we'll get 'em in singles" knock typifies the notion that he was better on tracks affording help to bowlers, and his style of bowling not be enjoyable to face on a bad track - making use of swing and seam from the left-armer's angle.

Blackham is probably the most qualified wicketkeeper in such a position, with anecdotes suggesting he'd batted and kept with distinction on pitches featuring ridges and troughs. Then the bowling attack of Verity, Underwood and Barnes would take some facing; the former mixing his impeccable line and length with sharp bounce and turn, Underwood providing the unplayable deliveries he was so well known for, and Barnes zipping the ball around both ways off the pitch at a bit above medium. Surely unplayable.

VVS Laxman is also included, probably competing with Noble, for his modern exploits on testing pitches. Hirst-Verity-Underwood-Barnes is a competent enough attack (if extremely left-armed), especially on those pitches, so Noble's bowling may be surplus to requirements.
 

watson

Banned
Sticky Wicket XI

1. Len Hutton
2. Jack Hobbs
3. George Headley
4. Neil Harvey
5. Stan McCabe
6. Monty Noble
7. George Hirst
8. Jack Blackham
9. Hedley Verity
10. Derek Underwood
11. Sydney Barnes

12. VVS Laxman

Hutton's 62* at the Gabba in the early 1950s (year escapes me) was one hell of a knock on a terrible pitch, so he gets in solely based on that. Hobbs had a fantastic technique and was described as playing well on tough pitches. Similarly, Headley's reputation on sticky wickets is well renowned.

Harvey seems like a good player to be able to adjust to poor conditions, and if in doubt McCabe is included to hit out - if he comes off, he's turned the game; if not, it's another batsman back in the shed. But McCabe always came off when he was needed. Monty Noble comes in as an all-rounder used to that style of pitch.

Hirst's "we'll get 'em in singles" knock typifies the notion that he was better on tracks affording help to bowlers, and his style of bowling not be enjoyable to face on a bad track - making use of swing and seam from the left-armer's angle.

Blackham is probably the most qualified wicketkeeper in such a position, with anecdotes suggesting he'd batted and kept with distinction on pitches featuring ridges and troughs. Then the bowling attack of Verity, Underwood and Barnes would take some facing; the former mixing his impeccable line and length with sharp bounce and turn, Underwood providing the unplayable deliveries he was so well known for, and Barnes zipping the ball around both ways off the pitch at a bit above medium. Surely unplayable.

VVS Laxman is also included, probably competing with Noble, for his modern exploits on testing pitches. Hirst-Verity-Underwood-Barnes is a competent enough attack (if extremely left-armed), especially on those pitches, so Noble's bowling may be surplus to requirements.
Yes, that Hutton innings is quite famous;

PLAYER HIGHLIGHTS

No.1 Len Hutton

62 V Australia, Brisbane 1950
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/62713.html

Australia batted first and scored 228. But then the wicket turned into a quagmire. England were bowled out for 68 and Australia then replied with 7/32 declared. Hutton and Compton batted at No.8 and No.9 respectively in an effort to let the wicket dry out. In the end Hutton made 62 out of a team score of 122 in what has been described as one of the greatest exhibitions of defensive batting seen.
 
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fredfertang

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Interesting idea - Sticky wicket XI comprising those who never played on them, well Gavaskar did briefly, obviously

Gavaskar
Atherton
Dravid
Tendulkar
Lara
Inzamam
Russell
Warne
Alderman
McGrath
Murali
 

watson

Banned
I was about to say, why aren't modern fast bowlers often selected as first choice sticky wicket bowlers? We tend to go with the 'spin-swerve' bowlers like Noble as a matter of course.

I would like to nominate Mlacolm Marshall as an obvious sticky wicket bowler. Intuition tells me that his low trajectory, combined with the ball skidding off the pitch would be a nightmare in wet conditions.
 

bagapath

International Captain
dour XI

boycott
h.sutcliffe
dravid
kallis
chanderpaul
shastri
kirmani
kumble
srinath
mcgrath
walsh
 

Flametree

International 12th Man
dour XI

boycott
h.sutcliffe
dravid
kallis
chanderpaul
shastri
kirmani
kumble
srinath
mcgrath
walsh
A criminal lack of Kiwis in that team. Turner, Richardson, Chatfield, Larsen, Vettori (with the ball, he's quite enterprising with the bat...) are all strong contenders.
 

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