Dhoni Vs Gilchrist in ODIs.

[Senile Sentry]

There are a lot better ODI keepers than Dhoni though.

Unfortunately, that is very very hard to substantiate.

Rahul Dravid kept wickets during the entire course of a WC but that didn't prevent India frm reaching the semis. I cannot recollect one match where Dhoni's keeping was pilloried and cost India a match.

 

[benchmark00]

Pure glove work in ODI's not a major thing itbt.

 

[Ikki]

It doesn't have to necessarily cost a match - as if it is only about blunders - but that a player with better keeping skills can take chances others might not or save runs, etc.

 

[Migara]

Not against spin, no way..

Sanga says Hi.

 

[honestbharani]

Sanga says Hi.

Well.. he is but one. Burge said a "lot"

 

[ankitj]

It doesn't have to necessarily cost a match - as if it is only about blunders - but that a player with better keeping skills can take chances others might not or save runs, etc.

You mean stuff like this and this? You have a point

 

[Viscount Tom]

The first one was just good fielding, the second one was a quick stumping although he could have taken a holiday in the time it took for the batsman to get back.

 

[ankitj]

Deliberately missing the point? Dhoni is street smart and always has good presence of mind. He can affect some brilliant dismissals just because of that. His wicket keeping is pretty fine too. This is the second attempt to make a lazy point just because of his unconventional style (other was to argue he has a weakness against short ball).

EDIT: And there was barely a fraction of a second before batsman got back. If you watch it in slow motion, frame by frame, sure you can take holiday or whatever.

 

[smash84]

This poll still in favor of Gilchrist.......but it has gotten close........Dhoni would make a much better fit for an AT ODI XI. Gives more options

 

[doesitmatter]

Dhoni for me..Gilchrist for all his greatness in Tests was just "good" in ODIs..

 

[Ikki]

Deliberately missing the point?

The irony. Gilchrist > Dhoni as a keeper, not even that close for mine. Kept to a higher standard, against better bowlers of pace and spin as well.

Close as batsman, although I'd probably give Dhoni the edge; they've played completely different roles.

 

[Shri]

Better players of spin and pace? How the **** is that even relevant here?

 

[Ikki]

**** I hate you pedants.

 

[Shri]

**** I hate you pedants.

Aren't you supposed to be a lawyer/law student or something?

 

[Ikki]

Meh.

 

[ankitj]

**** I hate you pedants.

Ha, just make a self righteous remark when you have got nothing better to say.

 

[ankitj]

The irony. Gilchrist > Dhoni as a keeper, not even that close for mine. Kept to a higher standard, against better bowlers of pace and spin as well.

Just like with his batting, Dhoni makes up for his lack of "technique" with his smartness and common sense when keeping as well. That's the point. You have to point out a fair few cases when Dhoni made pedantic mistakes behind the wickets to backup your point.

Better bowlers of pace and spin has got nothing to do with wicket-keeping. That's irrelevant and outright silly, sorry to tell you.

 

[Ikki]

Ha, just make a self righteous remark when you have got nothing better to say.

Lol, wut?

Just like with his batting, Dhoni makes up for his lack of "technique" with his smartness and common sense when keeping as well. That's the point. You have to point out a fair few cases when Dhoni made pedantic mistakes behind the wickets to backup your point.

Better bowlers of pace and spin has got nothing to do with wicket-keeping. That's irrelevant and outright silly, sorry to tell you.

I've seen Dhoni drop balls, let balls go past, not be as quick as Gilchrist in terms of stumping, etc, several times. He never played with bowlers who bowled as fast as the Australians nor spinners who spun it as much as MacGill/Warne. You don't think that matters in terms of assessing him as a keeper goes?

I didn't argue that his lack of orthodoxy lets him down, that's just a strawman.

 

[ankitj]

Erratic bowlers aren't any easier to keep. They present their own challenge to the keeper so that's irrelevant.

On overall keeping, even if there is a difference between D and G* it's not quite material in my eyes, especially when you take into account the application of presence of mind that D displays

* Tired of typing their names.

 

[Senile Sentry]

Lol, wut?



I've seen Dhoni drop balls, let balls go past, not be as quick as Gilchrist in terms of stumping, etc, several times. He never played with bowlers who bowled as fast as the Australians nor spinners who spun it as much as MacGill/Warne. You don't think that matters in terms of assessing him as a keeper goes?

I didn't argue that his lack of orthodoxy lets him down, that's just a strawman.

In test cricket yes it makes a difference, but not in ODIs.

As I said before, even Dravid kept wickets but did not prevent India from reaching the semifinals of that WC. Glovework is overrated in ODIs and in no way Dhoni was undeserving of a place for that either. ODIs need their batsman to be a decent keeper than the other way round.