Shri
Mr. Glass
Really awful in Australia and WI. Average to above average everywhere else. And those are great numbers for a guy who has played 90%+ of his innings at #7.
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***Official*** New Zealand in India 2012
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Shri
Mr. Glass
Would people rate him better if he had just kept hitting out like in his initial years in test cricket? All this defending and shuffling around cluelessly at times make him look bad since he never built his batting style to stick around and bat for a long in tests. Maybe he would have averaged less than 30 but he would have added an x-factor to his game. Would have loved to see him in a purely attacking role in tests. Would be great if he tries something like that when Sehwag retires.
Salamuddin
International Debutant
He,s underrated given the number of pople who don't think he's test clss includiong several of his compatriots.
However, at the end of the day, you can argue all you like about technique and so forth but it's the numbers that he puts on the board and thr truth is he's actually been a fairly decent batsman in tests since he became captain (averages 40+) and has played quite a few pivotal innings for his team.
No other Indian wicketkeepr in history has even come close to matching his level of batting.
Quote.SteveNZ checking in shortly, "told you he stands too far back" etc.
Nothing else.
I honestly feel like a good, nay decent wicketkeeper can make all the difference in terms of a solid cordon. We know our 1st and 2nd have very good hands. So what's changed? I know where I'd point the finger.
Somewhere, DdB is sitting quite enjoying this Test.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
This couldn't be less true IMO. His average vastly exaggerates the difficulty and importance of the runs he's scored in Test cricket, probably more than any other player I've ever witnessed. Having followed his career from the start, his record being as good as it is actually makes me question my whole system of rating players for ot just tells so many lies about the quality of his batsmanship and the value his batting adds to a team.
When he comes in to bat with India leading by 250 or less, he averages less than 28. The bloke comes in after other blokes have piled on runs against demoralised and tired bowlers and essentially scores comparatively meaningless declaration runs.
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
Agree except the bolded part. When your team is in a commanding position, you help the team win by scoring some quick runs, especially if you're an attacking batsman like Dhoni. Don't you?
I agree that he's a pathetic batsman (average for a wicketkeeper) when coming after a collapse, or when trying to squeeze a draw on day 5 or something like that.
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
When you're in such a commanding position, the runs you score are likely to have virtually no baring on the result at all.
It's funny because I often put forward the argument that "pressure runs" are an analyst's construct rather than an actual occurrence more often than not; batting is intrinsically inconsistent so when we end up dealing in such small sample sizes, sometimes it's just a coincidence that someone's good innings coincided with the runs being needed or on the flip side coincided with instances of irrelevance. However I'm not putting forward a "mentally soft" argument about Dhoni; I don't think he's poor in pressure situations, I just don't think he's actually physically good enough with the bat to score runs when the bowling side is switched on, fresh and actively trying to take wickets. If he had to open the batting - even if we made the bowling side open up with an old ball - he'd struggle to average more than mid 20s; he's just not capable. He's only able to score runs when the game is in a state of boring ambience waiting to progress itself to the next innings and runs like that just aren't very valuable.
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ganeshran
International Debutant
The problem is that his technique isnt good enough to perform consistently outside the SC and his keeping isnt that good to offset his mediocre batting. To add to that, in the 8-0 debacle, he never looked like putting up a fight. I agree that India isnt spoilt for choices when it comes to keeper batsmen and that is what keeps Dhoni's spot secure. but Saha should be given a few chances
In ODIs he is one of the best in the business but in tests outside the SC he is a walking wicket.
AndyZaltzHair
Hall of Fame Member
Pujara threw it away but nevertheless good knock; there was golden opportunity to grab a double though
Athlai
Not Terrible
GDIAFz
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Penalty runs, tbh.